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He is tough to recruit against. He is better at paying players than any coach not at UTEP.
(not sure if it is a done deal yet)
(not sure if it is a done deal yet)
Rutgers to hire Jim O'Brien, Mike Rice, or Anyone
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Awesomest double-burn I've seen in a while. Consider yourself repped!
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Lot of assumption and spectulation, nothing concrete yet.
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Sorry, I jumped the gun, but he is the main target per NY Daily News.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/04/20/2010-04-20_rutgers_targets_obrien.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/04/20/2010-04-20_rutgers_targets_obrien.html
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O'brien isn't a threat. Didn't he almost retire while at tosu before being fired due to health reasons? Now, that might not mean much with the whole Urban thing.
Per Mike Vorkunov, the coaching search is down to Mike Rice and Fran Fraschilla. Matt Peloquin reported the same yesterday afternoon, adding that Rice was confident that the job was his. He certainly isn't lacking in confidence or bravado.
I am already outlining some points about how bad of a hire Rice would be just to have a meltdown queued if/when it comes to pass. The idea is unintuitive, and so many previous reports had Fraschilla in the lead. Wouldn't this choice basically be saying that Rutgers has no problem at all with Hill's losing or lack of experience; they just don't want a hothead? (Rice is not exactly Bob Ross himself either.)
I'd still prefer Al Skinner to both. Especially if he can keep Darren Savino on staff to recruit the NJ/NY area.
www.onthebanks.com
I am already outlining some points about how bad of a hire Rice would be just to have a meltdown queued if/when it comes to pass. The idea is unintuitive, and so many previous reports had Fraschilla in the lead. Wouldn't this choice basically be saying that Rutgers has no problem at all with Hill's losing or lack of experience; they just don't want a hothead? (Rice is not exactly Bob Ross himself either.)
I'd still prefer Al Skinner to both. Especially if he can keep Darren Savino on staff to recruit the NJ/NY area.
www.onthebanks.com
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O'Brien was canned for giving financial assistance to a Euro player who eventually did not sign. O'Brien claimed the money was out of his own pocket to help the player's family situation. OSU disagreed and canned him for a violation. He sued and I believe he won the lawsuit.
Mike Rice was hired.
Q&A with Bob Hurley on Mike Rice
May 04, 2010 • 2:11 am
By Jerry CarinoQ. What are your thoughts on the Rice hire?
A. “I’m very excited for Mike. I know Mike very well. I’ve been friends with him through a couple of places he’s been at. I think he’s paid his dues. He worked for Phil Martelli and he worked for Jamie Dixon and he coaches his own team got to the NCAA Tournament twice.”
“He’s the right age for Rutgers I think, and he has the passion. That’s one thing which I guess makes us almost blood brothers. He’s accused sometimes of caring too much, of being too intense. If putting in the extra time and holding the bar at a certain level for kids and really challenging kids to get better individually and collectively, if that’s the worst you can say about somebody, they’re a really good guy.”
Q. Why is Rice a good fit for Rutgers?
A. Only a certain person right now was going to be able to walk in and take over (the program) where it is now, which is kind of in a free fall I guess. Mike’s going to hold everybody accountable. People who are there are going to appreciate his enthusiasm.
Q. What about the challenge of jumping from the Northeast Conference to the Big East?
A. He played against Pitt this until the final 10 minutes Robert Morris was beating Pitt. He very well could have knocked off Villanova in the tournament. He’s going to have to recruit against Syracuse and Georgetown and Villanova. The biggest thing right now they face is trying to improve the roster in a short period of time. But when you get onto the floor, tactically he’s going to do the right things.
Q. Under Fred Hill Rutgers finished second for a lot of key recruits. Is that the No. 1 thing Mike has to change?
A. Look at all the talent (elsewhere). Brian Zoubek and Lance Thomas, the two post players on the national champs, came from New Jersey. Look at the West Virginia and Villanova rosters. Mike has to win some of those recruiting battles . . . in recruiting wars second is last. You either win the battle or you lose it. When you lose the battle, you could have maybe been close with another kid. It’s so difficult to get a read on who you have a legitimate chance at. They need to be able to pick up at least two players between now and the end of the (school) year.”
Q. You advised Rutgers AD Tim Pernetti on the process. What was the main thrust of your advice?
A. It’s the kind of job that you want to get somebody on the way up. You don’t want somebody who’s maybe been at the peak of their career and is on the down-slide. They’re not going to put the time in. When kids to a school to play for someone who has had a great career, you can’t have him talking to you all the time about what happened in the past. You’ve got to get them dealing in the present. A coach on the way down, they just don’t have the same juice.
Q. Rutgers and Seton Hall both heeded your advice and hired coaches “on the way up.” What do you think of that rivalry now?
A. It’s great. I’m sure it’s going to be intense, but clearly not the way it’s been the past couple of years. When I watched their games I could feel the tension through my television.
http://blogs.mycentraljersey.com/rutgers/
Q&A with Bob Hurley on Mike Rice
May 04, 2010 • 2:11 am
By Jerry CarinoQ. What are your thoughts on the Rice hire?
A. “I’m very excited for Mike. I know Mike very well. I’ve been friends with him through a couple of places he’s been at. I think he’s paid his dues. He worked for Phil Martelli and he worked for Jamie Dixon and he coaches his own team got to the NCAA Tournament twice.”
“He’s the right age for Rutgers I think, and he has the passion. That’s one thing which I guess makes us almost blood brothers. He’s accused sometimes of caring too much, of being too intense. If putting in the extra time and holding the bar at a certain level for kids and really challenging kids to get better individually and collectively, if that’s the worst you can say about somebody, they’re a really good guy.”
Q. Why is Rice a good fit for Rutgers?
A. Only a certain person right now was going to be able to walk in and take over (the program) where it is now, which is kind of in a free fall I guess. Mike’s going to hold everybody accountable. People who are there are going to appreciate his enthusiasm.
Q. What about the challenge of jumping from the Northeast Conference to the Big East?
A. He played against Pitt this until the final 10 minutes Robert Morris was beating Pitt. He very well could have knocked off Villanova in the tournament. He’s going to have to recruit against Syracuse and Georgetown and Villanova. The biggest thing right now they face is trying to improve the roster in a short period of time. But when you get onto the floor, tactically he’s going to do the right things.
Q. Under Fred Hill Rutgers finished second for a lot of key recruits. Is that the No. 1 thing Mike has to change?
A. Look at all the talent (elsewhere). Brian Zoubek and Lance Thomas, the two post players on the national champs, came from New Jersey. Look at the West Virginia and Villanova rosters. Mike has to win some of those recruiting battles . . . in recruiting wars second is last. You either win the battle or you lose it. When you lose the battle, you could have maybe been close with another kid. It’s so difficult to get a read on who you have a legitimate chance at. They need to be able to pick up at least two players between now and the end of the (school) year.”
Q. You advised Rutgers AD Tim Pernetti on the process. What was the main thrust of your advice?
A. It’s the kind of job that you want to get somebody on the way up. You don’t want somebody who’s maybe been at the peak of their career and is on the down-slide. They’re not going to put the time in. When kids to a school to play for someone who has had a great career, you can’t have him talking to you all the time about what happened in the past. You’ve got to get them dealing in the present. A coach on the way down, they just don’t have the same juice.
Q. Rutgers and Seton Hall both heeded your advice and hired coaches “on the way up.” What do you think of that rivalry now?
A. It’s great. I’m sure it’s going to be intense, but clearly not the way it’s been the past couple of years. When I watched their games I could feel the tension through my television.
http://blogs.mycentraljersey.com/rutgers/
•My first impression of Rice is that he's a stammerer.
•Rice has mentioned the need to bring in 3-4 contributors, so presumably that'll involve a look into the Junior College ranks. Of course, no one's expecting much to start out with, but it'd surely help to have more than eight scholarship players going into the fall.
•A 550k first year salary is less than what Tom Pecora is getting to basically look good in a suit and make nice with the local media at Fordham.
•Salary would only be one concern with attempting to lure assistant Book Richardson from Arizona, who has already turned down St. John's. With Jimmy Martelli following Rice from Robert Morris, and Andrew Toole probably taking over there as HC, that still leaves jobs for two assistants and a Director of Basketball Operations.
www.onthebanks.com
•Rice has mentioned the need to bring in 3-4 contributors, so presumably that'll involve a look into the Junior College ranks. Of course, no one's expecting much to start out with, but it'd surely help to have more than eight scholarship players going into the fall.
•A 550k first year salary is less than what Tom Pecora is getting to basically look good in a suit and make nice with the local media at Fordham.
•Salary would only be one concern with attempting to lure assistant Book Richardson from Arizona, who has already turned down St. John's. With Jimmy Martelli following Rice from Robert Morris, and Andrew Toole probably taking over there as HC, that still leaves jobs for two assistants and a Director of Basketball Operations.
www.onthebanks.com
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Rice is putting a decent staff together. Booker Richardson thought about leaving Sean Miller and returning home, but he said he wanted to coach in a final four. He must feel like Arizona has that chance. Booker would have been a beast to recruit against if he had returned to the Big East in the New Jersey/New York area.
Schools ready to scramble with conference changes coming
By LENN ROBBINS
Posted: 3:37 AM, May 16, 2010
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After the Bowl Championship Series spring meetings concluded, conference commissioners sped back to their offices and athletic directors hustled to their campuses to check on their EEKs — Emergency Expansion Kits:
Located in a major media market? Check.
Lucrative TV deals? Check.
Member of the Association of American Universities? Check.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
IGNITING IRISH: The destination of Notre Dame will help determine the fates of many other colleges.
“The whole world has a chance to be completely blown up,” Auriemma told The Post.
Yes, for conferences such as the Big East, the Mountain West and even the Big 12, a doomsday scenario is possible.
The Big Ten, currently composed of 11 members which begin three days of meetings tomorrow, is expected to announce expansion plans in July.
In the most likely scenario, the Big Ten would first invite Notre Dame.
Rutgers of the Big East, Missouri, which has all but already accepted an invitation that hasn’t been extended, and Nebraska, both of the Big 12, also would get invites.
The Big Ten’s challenge is whether to create a scenario that all but forces Notre Dame to give up its prized independence. That could be accomplished by inviting Pittsburgh and Syracuse, crippling the Big East.
Notre Dame would be without a home for its other sports, killing the school’s renewed commitment to competing for the NACDA Director’s Cup, awarded annually to the university with the most successful all-around sports program.
As one administrator once said, “The only thing Notre Dame treasures more than being independent is being Catholic.”
Should the Big Ten expand to 16, that could trigger, in the words of Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick, a seismic shift in the national landscape. The fallout?
n The dissolution of the Big East Football Conference and a realigned Big East Basketball Conference which returns to its origins of Catholic universities based in urban markets.
n The end of Notre Dame as a football independent.
n The formation of five Superconferences.
“If [the Big Ten] can get Notre Dame, that’s the ticket,” a Big East coach said. “I don’t think they can be gotten. But Notre Dame is the tipping point.”
The Post has learned that administrators at the non-football playing Big East schools have had contingency discussions that include possibly adding Dayton, Duquesne, St. Joseph’s and Xavier if their football-playing brethren veer off like unsecured electrons.
“The concern is if that there will be too much carnage to the football league, we want to be in a position to be the best possible league we can be,” said the athletic director of a non-football playing Big East program.
There are a myriad of factors that will determine the scope of expansion but the Ex-Games are upon us.
The conservative Big Ten, whose 11 institutions are members of the prestigious American Association of Universities, which shares billions of dollars in research funds, is well aware that an expansion to 16 institutions could taint the tradition-rich league with the legacy of having taken a backhoe to the other conferences.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
IGNITING IRISH: The destination of Notre Dame will help determine the fates of many other colleges.
“We’re doing the best we can,” Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney said recently. “We’re sensitive that we’re in a community.”
It’s a community of Keeping up With the Joneses. Athletic department budgets are rising like a bottle rocket.
The Big Ten’s TV cable network, combined with the league’s network contracts, brings each of the 11 universities about $20-22 million annually. Big East schools receive about $7 million from their TV contracts.
“It’s Wal-Mart-Home Depot world,” Auriemma said. “There’s no more mom-and-pop stores out there anymore.”
A gutted Big East could leave Connecticut and West Virginia or Syracuse hoping for spots in the ACC. Louisville, and to a lesser extent, South Florida, could move to the SEC, which strongly is eyeing Texas and Texas A&M of the Big 12.
The Pac 10 has its sights on Utah and BYU of the Mountain West and Colorado of the Big 12. If the Big 12 loses Colorado, Texas and Texas A&M, it might raid the Mountain West.
The best hope for the Big East is that Notre Dame remains independent and Rutgers is the only league member to receive a Big Ten invite. The league likely would add Central Florida and remain intact.
But if the Big Ten decides a 16-team footprint would be more lucrative in decades to come, expansion could force a split that would tear college athletics apart:
The football-driven Superconferences could even divorce from the NCAA. Forget about ever seeing another Duke-Butler NCAA Championship.
“Our sport takes over the whole country and it takes over the whole country because the whole country’s included,” Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski told The Post. “As soon as you start not including, that’s a bad dynamic. I would not want to be a part of college basketball when that happens. Not on my watch.”
Conference commissioners, university presidents, athletic directors, coaches and fans are all on the watch.
“I think everyone would prefer that we keep the status quo,” Auriemma said. “Unfortunately, if you believe everything you read, the status quo is gone.”
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Where ya goin’?
The Post’s Lenn Robbins sorts out the upcoming nationwide realignment:
Eastern Coalition
(actual name to be determined)
Air Force, Army, Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, Pitt, Navy, Syracuse (if it doesn’t join Big Ten or ACC), Tulane
Big East
(Basketball and non-revenue sports)
Dayton, DePaul, Duquense, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame (if it doesn’t join Big Ten), Providence, St. John’s, St. Joseph’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Xavier
ACC
Adds two (Connecticut and West Virginia or Syracuse. Mountaineers have a weak academic resume but rivalries with Maryland, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. The Carolina schools prefer ‘Cuse).
Boston College, Connecticut, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Big Ten
(16, with Notre Dame)
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, Rutgers, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Big Ten
(16, without Notre Dame)
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, Rutgers, Syracuse, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Big Mountain
(combines Big 12 and some Mountain West)
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, Iowa State, Louisiana Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, TCU, Texas Tech, UTEP
Pac 10
(adds BYU, Colorado, Utah and UNLV)
Arizona, ASU, BYU, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, UNLV, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington State
SEC
(adds Louisville, South Florida, Texas, Texas A&M)
Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/coll..._after_z2H0Wo3Qh8zTA0eEjWnSzO/1#ixzz0oNwygT1l
By LENN ROBBINS
Posted: 3:37 AM, May 16, 2010
Comments: 0
| More Print
After the Bowl Championship Series spring meetings concluded, conference commissioners sped back to their offices and athletic directors hustled to their campuses to check on their EEKs — Emergency Expansion Kits:
Located in a major media market? Check.
Lucrative TV deals? Check.
Member of the Association of American Universities? Check.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
IGNITING IRISH: The destination of Notre Dame will help determine the fates of many other colleges.
“The whole world has a chance to be completely blown up,” Auriemma told The Post.
Yes, for conferences such as the Big East, the Mountain West and even the Big 12, a doomsday scenario is possible.
The Big Ten, currently composed of 11 members which begin three days of meetings tomorrow, is expected to announce expansion plans in July.
In the most likely scenario, the Big Ten would first invite Notre Dame.
Rutgers of the Big East, Missouri, which has all but already accepted an invitation that hasn’t been extended, and Nebraska, both of the Big 12, also would get invites.
The Big Ten’s challenge is whether to create a scenario that all but forces Notre Dame to give up its prized independence. That could be accomplished by inviting Pittsburgh and Syracuse, crippling the Big East.
Notre Dame would be without a home for its other sports, killing the school’s renewed commitment to competing for the NACDA Director’s Cup, awarded annually to the university with the most successful all-around sports program.
As one administrator once said, “The only thing Notre Dame treasures more than being independent is being Catholic.”
Should the Big Ten expand to 16, that could trigger, in the words of Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick, a seismic shift in the national landscape. The fallout?
n The dissolution of the Big East Football Conference and a realigned Big East Basketball Conference which returns to its origins of Catholic universities based in urban markets.
n The end of Notre Dame as a football independent.
n The formation of five Superconferences.
“If [the Big Ten] can get Notre Dame, that’s the ticket,” a Big East coach said. “I don’t think they can be gotten. But Notre Dame is the tipping point.”
The Post has learned that administrators at the non-football playing Big East schools have had contingency discussions that include possibly adding Dayton, Duquesne, St. Joseph’s and Xavier if their football-playing brethren veer off like unsecured electrons.
“The concern is if that there will be too much carnage to the football league, we want to be in a position to be the best possible league we can be,” said the athletic director of a non-football playing Big East program.
There are a myriad of factors that will determine the scope of expansion but the Ex-Games are upon us.
The conservative Big Ten, whose 11 institutions are members of the prestigious American Association of Universities, which shares billions of dollars in research funds, is well aware that an expansion to 16 institutions could taint the tradition-rich league with the legacy of having taken a backhoe to the other conferences.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
IGNITING IRISH: The destination of Notre Dame will help determine the fates of many other colleges.
“We’re doing the best we can,” Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney said recently. “We’re sensitive that we’re in a community.”
It’s a community of Keeping up With the Joneses. Athletic department budgets are rising like a bottle rocket.
The Big Ten’s TV cable network, combined with the league’s network contracts, brings each of the 11 universities about $20-22 million annually. Big East schools receive about $7 million from their TV contracts.
“It’s Wal-Mart-Home Depot world,” Auriemma said. “There’s no more mom-and-pop stores out there anymore.”
A gutted Big East could leave Connecticut and West Virginia or Syracuse hoping for spots in the ACC. Louisville, and to a lesser extent, South Florida, could move to the SEC, which strongly is eyeing Texas and Texas A&M of the Big 12.
The Pac 10 has its sights on Utah and BYU of the Mountain West and Colorado of the Big 12. If the Big 12 loses Colorado, Texas and Texas A&M, it might raid the Mountain West.
The best hope for the Big East is that Notre Dame remains independent and Rutgers is the only league member to receive a Big Ten invite. The league likely would add Central Florida and remain intact.
But if the Big Ten decides a 16-team footprint would be more lucrative in decades to come, expansion could force a split that would tear college athletics apart:
The football-driven Superconferences could even divorce from the NCAA. Forget about ever seeing another Duke-Butler NCAA Championship.
“Our sport takes over the whole country and it takes over the whole country because the whole country’s included,” Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski told The Post. “As soon as you start not including, that’s a bad dynamic. I would not want to be a part of college basketball when that happens. Not on my watch.”
Conference commissioners, university presidents, athletic directors, coaches and fans are all on the watch.
“I think everyone would prefer that we keep the status quo,” Auriemma said. “Unfortunately, if you believe everything you read, the status quo is gone.”
[email protected]
Where ya goin’?
The Post’s Lenn Robbins sorts out the upcoming nationwide realignment:
Eastern Coalition
(actual name to be determined)
Air Force, Army, Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, Pitt, Navy, Syracuse (if it doesn’t join Big Ten or ACC), Tulane
Big East
(Basketball and non-revenue sports)
Dayton, DePaul, Duquense, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame (if it doesn’t join Big Ten), Providence, St. John’s, St. Joseph’s, Seton Hall, Villanova, Xavier
ACC
Adds two (Connecticut and West Virginia or Syracuse. Mountaineers have a weak academic resume but rivalries with Maryland, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. The Carolina schools prefer ‘Cuse).
Boston College, Connecticut, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Big Ten
(16, with Notre Dame)
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, Rutgers, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Big Ten
(16, without Notre Dame)
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, Rutgers, Syracuse, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Big Mountain
(combines Big 12 and some Mountain West)
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, Iowa State, Louisiana Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, TCU, Texas Tech, UTEP
Pac 10
(adds BYU, Colorado, Utah and UNLV)
Arizona, ASU, BYU, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, UNLV, USC, Utah, Washington, Washington State
SEC
(adds Louisville, South Florida, Texas, Texas A&M)
Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisville, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/coll..._after_z2H0Wo3Qh8zTA0eEjWnSzO/1#ixzz0oNwygT1l
Thanx for posting. I posted my thoughts on the 4 super conferences, but every week I keep hearing opposing information about size of the Big11, ND staying or going, the SEC, Pac10, ACC/BEast merging, etc. This is great fodder for the news media, but not much credible info is coming out.
In fact, the UC folks were talking to UM's AD's and were asking each other what they had heard, what's going on. Fact is, nobody, even the players, know for certain.
On one hand we know that the Big11 will expand, but the posturing by them and the Beast is one giant game of chicken.
In fact, the UC folks were talking to UM's AD's and were asking each other what they had heard, what's going on. Fact is, nobody, even the players, know for certain.
On one hand we know that the Big11 will expand, but the posturing by them and the Beast is one giant game of chicken.