Tourney - wise, what's is reasonable to expect?

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Ummm...

Final 4 this year at least.

Elite 8 1999, 2015, 2017

Sweet 16 8 times since 1999

Win their conference and conference tourney almost every year. Constantly ranked in top 20 ap.

Not really close

they also have a .400 winning percentage against top 25 teams in that time. In 17 years they have 8 sweet 16 appearances. For a team that is in the dance every year they have out performed us but not light years. Is this what you would call successful for our program. Would you also classify them the best of the non P5 schools?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Unfortunately in today's market that is exactly what we are. A good mid major school. What I am unsure of is if changing coaches will elevate our program or hurt our program. I really think unless we land in a better conference this is really as good as it gets.

Last year we were 1 win from a league title, 1 win from a conference title and 1 win from a sweet 16. We won 31 games, were undefeated at home, lost two conference games and beat our in city rival. i guess by thinking that is a good season in some people's mind I'm settling.

We will get an NCAA at-large bid anytime we're any good at all. That's not mid-major. Mid-major is someone like Illinois State who couldn't get in the field at all. The perception of Cincinnati basketball does not say mid-major at all.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Mark Few (West Coast Conference) (1999–present)
1999–00 Mark Few 26–9 11–3 2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen (10 seed)
2000–01 Mark Few 26–7 13–1 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (12 seed)
2001–02 Mark Few 29–4 13–1 T–1st NCAA Round of 64 (6 seed)
2002–03 Mark Few 24–9 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (9 seed)
2003–04 Mark Few 28–3 14–0 1st NCAA Round of 32 (2 seed)
2004–05 Mark Few 26–5 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (3 seed)
2005–06 Mark Few 29–4 14–0 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (3 seed)
2006–07 Mark Few 23–11 11–3 1st NCAA Round of 64 (10 seed)
2007–08 Mark Few 25–8 13–1 1st NCAA Round of 64 (7 seed)
2008–09 Mark Few 28–6 14–0 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (4 seed)
2009–10 Mark Few 27–7 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (8 seed)
2010–11 Mark Few 25–10 11–3 T–1st NCAA Round of 32 (11 seed)
2011–12 Mark Few 26–7 13–3 2nd NCAA Round of 32 (7 seed)
2012–13 Mark Few 32–3 16–0 1st NCAA Round of 32 (1 seed)
2013–14 Mark Few 29–7 15–3 1st NCAA Round of 32 (8 seed)
2014–15 Mark Few 35–3 17–1 1st NCAA Elite Eight (2 seed)
2015–16 Mark Few 28–8 15–3 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (11 seed)
2016–17 Mark Few 36–1 17–1 1st

Good program but not light years ahead of us. How do you think they would have fared in the big east.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

We will get an NCAA at-large bid anytime we're any good at all. That's not mid-major. Mid-major is someone like Illinois State who couldn't get in the field at all. The perception of Cincinnati basketball does not say mid-major at all.

i don't know Jake. To have the season we had and only get a 6 seed.

 

[cincyguy13]

Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Mark Few (West Coast Conference) (1999–present)
1999–00 Mark Few 26–9 11–3 2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen (10 seed)
2000–01 Mark Few 26–7 13–1 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (12 seed)
2001–02 Mark Few 29–4 13–1 T–1st NCAA Round of 64 (6 seed)
2002–03 Mark Few 24–9 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (9 seed)
2003–04 Mark Few 28–3 14–0 1st NCAA Round of 32 (2 seed)
2004–05 Mark Few 26–5 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (3 seed)
2005–06 Mark Few 29–4 14–0 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (3 seed)
2006–07 Mark Few 23–11 11–3 1st NCAA Round of 64 (10 seed)
2007–08 Mark Few 25–8 13–1 1st NCAA Round of 64 (7 seed)
2008–09 Mark Few 28–6 14–0 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (4 seed)
2009–10 Mark Few 27–7 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (8 seed)
2010–11 Mark Few 25–10 11–3 T–1st NCAA Round of 32 (11 seed)
2011–12 Mark Few 26–7 13–3 2nd NCAA Round of 32 (7 seed)
2012–13 Mark Few 32–3 16–0 1st NCAA Round of 32 (1 seed)
2013–14 Mark Few 29–7 15–3 1st NCAA Round of 32 (8 seed)
2014–15 Mark Few 35–3 17–1 1st NCAA Elite Eight (2 seed)
2015–16 Mark Few 28–8 15–3 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (11 seed)
2016–17 Mark Few 36–1 17–1 1st

Good program but not light years ahead of us. How do you think they would have fared in the big east.

They are pretty far ahead of us in my opinion but they didn't have 5-6 years where they had to rebuild. Going to the final four this year isn't going to hurt their program either

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I may have posted this before, but all this talk reminds me of this article:

http://www.theonion.com/article/ncaa-tournament-proving-that-mid-major-semi-upper--17154

 

[Bcatfollower]

Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason
Mark Few (West Coast Conference) (1999–present)
1999–00 Mark Few 26–9 11–3 2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen (10 seed)
2000–01 Mark Few 26–7 13–1 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (12 seed)
2001–02 Mark Few 29–4 13–1 T–1st NCAA Round of 64 (6 seed)
2002–03 Mark Few 24–9 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (9 seed)
2003–04 Mark Few 28–3 14–0 1st NCAA Round of 32 (2 seed)
2004–05 Mark Few 26–5 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (3 seed)
2005–06 Mark Few 29–4 14–0 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (3 seed)
2006–07 Mark Few 23–11 11–3 1st NCAA Round of 64 (10 seed)
2007–08 Mark Few 25–8 13–1 1st NCAA Round of 64 (7 seed)
2008–09 Mark Few 28–6 14–0 1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (4 seed)
2009–10 Mark Few 27–7 12–2 1st NCAA Round of 32 (8 seed)
2010–11 Mark Few 25–10 11–3 T–1st NCAA Round of 32 (11 seed)
2011–12 Mark Few 26–7 13–3 2nd NCAA Round of 32 (7 seed)
2012–13 Mark Few 32–3 16–0 1st NCAA Round of 32 (1 seed)
2013–14 Mark Few 29–7 15–3 1st NCAA Round of 32 (8 seed)
2014–15 Mark Few 35–3 17–1 1st NCAA Elite Eight (2 seed)
2015–16 Mark Few 28–8 15–3 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen (11 seed)
2016–17 Mark Few 36–1 17–1 1st

Good program but not light years ahead of us. How do you think they would have fared in the big east.

Id say uconn and nova are the best non p5 schools because they both have recent national championships.

Doesn't matter how they would do in the big east as their tourney record is much better than almost all those schools and they are in the ff this year with a good chance at the finals.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I may have posted this before, but all this talk reminds me of this article:

http://www.theonion.com/article/ncaa-tournament-proving-that-mid-major-semi-upper--17154

Jake am I reading the date right. That article was written in 2010. Before P5 conferences. Last two years I think had 15 of 16 teams were P5 or big east which is basketball only. Seems like times are changing.

 

[Jive]

I see your point Jake . I guess I'm just over reacting to some who post here. I go to the games and enjoy the team. Ideally I want the same things but my anger is what college athletics has become. Mick actually has student athletes. Look at what goes on at schools like UNC, Louisville, SMU and others. Sadly this is the norm now. Mick is always being criticized by some for who he is not as opposed to what he provides in his own hometown. Like everyone I want to win titles. League, conference and NCAA. Jake we had a wonderful season last year. Yet some will always find fault.

What are you basing this statement on? This has been discussed on other sites. Our graduation rates are not good. The last 8 years have been 50%, 36, 43, 58, 56, 56, 53, 53. You can look this up on the NCAA official site if you don't believe.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/graduation-success-rate

Our graduation rates are some of the lowest each year of all teams in the NCAA Tournament.

 

[Jive]

We are light years behind gonzaga

I tend to agree with you. In Few's 18 years, he has been a No. 1 seed twice, a No. 2 seed twice, and overall has been a top 4 seed 8 times in 18 years. They have ascended to the No.1 ranking in two of the 18 years, have been ranked in the top 10 in 8 of the 18 years, and pretty much in the Top 20 in all the rest of those years. 18 straight years in the tourney. 13 NBA players in 17 years. Lots of league and tourney championships.

I'm sure there are a lot more stats in their favor as well, but you really can't compare our recent performances to theirs. We didn't even close the gap with a 30 win season this year. We're losing a lot of ground actually.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

What are you basing this statement on? This has been discussed on other sites. Our graduation rates are not good. The last 8 years have been 50%, 36, 43, 58, 56, 56, 53, 53. You can look this up on the NCAA official site if you don't believe.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/graduation-success-rate

Our graduation rates are some of the lowest each year of all teams in the NCAA Tournament.

Because Mick has 4 year players not one and doners. The calculation of such results are very much in question.

 

[Jive]

Because Mick has 4 year players not one and doners. The calculation of such results are very much in question.

It's been years since I've heard any complaints about how the NCAA does their calculations. Those calculations were once very much in question. It basically gives you credit if your athletes are graduating, or are on schedule to graduate (if they are leaving or transferring). It doesn't matter if you have 4 year players or not. If you're only graduating 50%, or only 50% are on course to graduate, there's a problem,

I looked at Xavier and they are anywhere between about 90 to 100%. They have always advertised that they graduate 100%, but that was obviously a lie.

 

[cincyguy13]

Because Mick has 4 year players not one and doners. The calculation of such results are very much in question.

Most one and done players go to the same couple schools. I think I heard there isn't 1 "1 and done" player in the final 4.

 

[Binturong]

It's been years since I've heard any complaints about how the NCAA does their calculations. Those calculations were once very much in question. It basically gives you credit if your athletes are graduating, or are on schedule to graduate (if they are leaving or transferring). It doesn't matter if you have 4 year players or not. If you're only graduating 50%, or only 50% are on course to graduate, there's a problem,

I looked at Xavier and they are anywhere between about 90 to 100%. They have always advertised that they graduate 100%, but that was obviously a lie.

From looking at the NCAA website (i could be pulling the numbers incorrectly, it looks like those numbers you are quoting are way out of date. They look like they are from the mid 2000's.

For instance when I pull up 15/16 it gives me their cohort year of 2009, is there an explanation on that?

 

[ZCat]

From looking at the NCAA website (i could be pulling the numbers incorrectly, it looks like those numbers you are quoting are way out of date. They look like they are from the mid 2000's.


For instance when I pull up 15/16 it gives me their cohort year of 2009, is there an explanation on that?

Is it bc they give you 6 years to graduate? At least I think that's what it once was.

How does UK do it? Players leaving early don't count?

And I thought our grad rate was good. The bad rates reported above may not be accurate.

 

[Btown Bearcat]

well first of all this idea that getting the tournament being automatic is ridiculous to begin with were lucky to go every year let alone most years. its also all good good to expect whatever but its madness for a reason im not saying be happy just because we get there but at the same time i am.

its all fine to have crazy high expectations but at the end of the day i think people are overlooking so many things. ncaa is all about matchups ya it sucks we didnt even make the sweet 16 but it is what it is