If we don’t want to hang a banner for a win at USF, maybe let’s not fire the coach after a loss at Houston. Works both ways. Don’t be an idiot after a loss, we won’t be after a win.
To say Vogt hasn’t improved this year is another idiotic thing to say. Add it to the list. The guys been terrible for a month but how quickly we forget the first 3 months of the year when he was one of the guys carrying us. Putting up double figures in every game. Guess that doesn’t count toward player development.
All Players improve.
They get older, stronger and more experienced.
but Keith's jump from Fresh to Soph was huge
His Jump from SOPH to JR is.. not so great. Its meh if anything. He saved our ass tonight. But Still not as impressive as he should be.
As for Tre Scott, again, he was on a trajectory of improving. He's improved every single year. He's a man on a mission and is embracing his last go round. Kudos to him for that. And for Brannen for empowering it.
He has regressed.
He was the Aquino of UC basketball. He was an unknown and raked for a while but once he was figured out, then he became .200 hitter.
His ceiling isn’t that high.
I expect players to be playing their best basketball this time of year, especially the younger guys.
Stop it dude. This is so bad. Like you're trying so hard it's embarrassing and so obvious so everyone.
Keith's jump from Freshman year to sophomore was huge? WOW! SHOCKING! That's only typically the biggest jump for players not to mention his playing time only went up over 15 minutes per game. I can't imagine how his stats would have increased........
Now, with very similar minutes, he's averaging way higher % from 3 with more takes, way higher % from ft with more takes, more rebounds, steals, assists, and points per game.
This is while being 3rd option pretty much the whole season.
And you're trying to say Tres jump is just because that's what people do but no one would have expected him to be putting up the numbers he has for the past month and a half. They've been absurd.
It’s pointless to have a rational discussion. He can’t do it. Never acknowledges anything that doesn’t line up with his point. You know, like something a normal human would do.
Great win by the boys last night. No way I thought we were going to win that game. My boy Chris Mcneal had his best game as a cat. He still cant shoot free throws to save his life. Best span of minutes from Keith I think I have ever seen. The steal and lay in from the big boy was awesome.
I thought we would lose when hearing jarron wasn’t playing. Glad we won. Almost wonder if jarron should rest another game. A healthy jarron would be a game changer for the conference tournament. I think we might be the best team with a healthy jarron. I have no idea if sitting another game will get him there though.Great win by the boys last night. No way I thought we were going to win that game. My boy Chris Mcneal had his best game as a cat. He still cant shoot free throws to save his life. Best span of minutes from Keith I think I have ever seen. The steal and lay in from the big boy was awesome.
I thought we would lose when hearing jarron wasn’t playing. Glad we won. Almost wonder if jarron should rest another game. A healthy jarron would be a game changer for the conference tournament. I think we might be the best team with a healthy jarron. I have no idea if sitting another game will get him there though.
Seems there must be a stock way to defend Vogt and league understands that so we need to go to Diara. Maybe Brannen has been slow to realize that because he favors Vogt.
To say Vogt hasn’t improved this year is another idiotic thing to say. Add it to the list. The guys been terrible for a month but how quickly we forget the first 3 months of the year when he was one of the guys carrying us. Putting up double figures in every game. Guess that doesn’t count toward player development.
Two things have happened as far as I can tell.
One is that teams have figured out the rotations. Vogt was getting wide open of screen and rolls early in the year. That does not happen now. Teams have figured out how to prevent the ball from getting to Vogt in our offensive sets.
The second part is that Vogt is soft and not athletic. Early in the season he was able to just use his size advantage to get shots. Now almost every team has either the size, athleticism or both to compete with him. Vogt does not seem to deal well with other teams physicality.
I thought we would lose when hearing jarron wasn’t playing. Glad we won. Almost wonder if jarron should rest another game. A healthy jarron would be a game changer for the conference tournament. I think we might be the best team with a healthy jarron. I have no idea if sitting another game will get him there though.
To me, it’s the physicality and just learning how to deal with that and double teams. We played a hard non conference schedule. Every team had size. He played great the first go round in conference. The second time teams seen him, it’s been bad. He has to get more physical and learn to pass out of the double. He has been passing better recently. He also can’t be asked to play the whole game. That makes him even worst because he’s scared to foul.Two things have happened as far as I can tell.
One is that teams have figured out the rotations. Vogt was getting wide open of screen and rolls early in the year. That does not happen now. Teams have figured out how to prevent the ball from getting to Vogt in our offensive sets.
The second part is that Vogt is soft and not athletic. Early in the season he was able to just use his size advantage to get shots. Now almost every team has either the size, athleticism or both to compete with him. Vogt does not seem to deal well with other teams physicality.
In the second half, we honestly looked like we might be a better team without Jarron at 75% - or whatever % he's been at when injured.
I'd be okay with sitting Jarron next game and maybe even the first game of the conference tournament. Win the games we should win without him. Try to rest him up for the last pair of conference games and the NCAA tournament. If/when he does play I'd either have a minutes limit on him or only give him 5ish minutes in the first half and then play him in the second.
All indicates are that he's not going to be 100% any time this season. It's just a matter of getting what quality minutes we can out of him, when we most need them.
Vogt did more than you claim. He got teams in foul trouble, drew a ton on attention and scored. Those things helped. As much as you don’t want to admit it. Teams figure players out and they have to adjust. That’s common. I don’t think Vogt is completely done being productive.I continue to submit that Vogt lost us as many games (or more) than he won for us, even early in the season.
He was at least arguably doing more good than harm when he was scoring. Now he is borderline unplayable with his defense and lack of scoring.
The difference between the defensive abilities of Vogt and Diarra is huge. When Vogt is in we double Vogt's man, collapse more guys to the paint to provide help and have trouble stopping the drive. With Diarra in we don't need to double, Diarra cuts off drives before they even start and provides good help defense in the paint (though he is still learning when to go for the block and when he should back-off and box-out).
Diarra is averaging only 1.3 fewer points in conference than Vogt, rebounds better, defends better and can stretch the floor by shooting threes. Yes, he is more mistake prone, but we've seen that if he's given time and a chance to play through the mistakes, he is a better player than Vogt (and has way more potential).
I'm sure Brannen would have no problem playing Diarra more if Diarra was consistent at all.
Also there are matchups that aren't good for Diarra. USF was a great one for him.
