What to do with Yancy Gates

[Thegreatone]

What should we do?

He has the body of a NBA player but the work ethic of a Jr. High player. His defense is all about trying not to foul.

I would very seriously sit down with Yancy and ask if he wants to continue to play for UC.

Dayton had no one to match him physically. There bigs were tall but thin. He should have been able to back them down all night. Problem is he lacks any post move at all.

My only hope for Yancy is that he is only a sophomore and has time. He is easily the biggest question mark for next year.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

I have said it all year long. I cant stand him.

I wish this team had a ray lewis type guy. A player that everyone respects, yet will rip your face off for being a clown. Cause that style aint coming from Mick...

 

[swg]

He is a won't do guy, not a 'can't-do'. It's one thing to be like Biggie, who tries but lacks the game, but a won't do guy is worse than the Biggie type.
Cronin needs to figure out how to properly motivate him, or just not provide him with the minutes. With him on the Court last nite, UC was slower, the defense and rebouding suffered, and offensively, he might as well have simply been a rock from Stonehenge on the floor.

Mick has his work cut out for him this offseason, as well as some huge decisions to make. His future depends on it...God bless him.

 

[ready2go]

He is a won't do guy, not a 'can't-do'. It's one thing to be like Biggie, who tries but lacks the game, but a won't do guy is worse than the Biggie type. Cronin needs to figure out how to properly motivate him, or just not provide him with the minutes. With him on the Court last nite, UC was slower, the defense and rebouding suffered, and offensively, he might as well have simply been a rock from Stonehenge on the floor.

Mick has his work cut out for him this offseason, as well as some huge decisions to make. His future depends on it...God bless him.

Could not agree more. Yea Biggie is not very good, but ill take his 7'1 frame in the paint who tries and puts his hands up anyday over a guy who doesn't want to put in the effort.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

Yeah, Gates is about completely worthless most of the time. Especially rebounding. The only hope for him is to get to a big man's camp and really get shown how to play the position. And that's assuming he wants to learn. I don't even know if college players are allowed attending such things. I wouldn't be completely upset to see him transfer or pushed out the door. The problem is he still has so much upside if the light bulb ever goes on for him. It's too bad you can't trade college players. We could get a high recruit out of him or something from somebody who thinks they can be the one to get through to him.

 

[swg]

I know Gates can hustle. Every so often he'll actually run down court, especially when there is a chance HE will score.

I will give Gates this point...UC does such an awful job of going inside to the big men. When they do, Gates almost always feels compelled to shoot, so invariably the defender knows this. When Yancy got the rock last nite, I knew he was going to force up a bad shot, and missed it terribly. More looks inside to the big guys will keep the defender on edge, and allow more open shots for the 3's.

Not sure why this wasn't a focus, but even if the inside guys aren't producing, they still need to be involved in the offense. Something to work on next year.

 

[ready2go]

Yeah, Gates is about completely worthless most of the time. Especially rebounding. The only hope for him is to get to a big man's camp and really get shown how to play the position. And that's assuming he wants to learn. I don't even know if college players are allowed attending such things. I wouldn't be completely upset to see him transfer or pushed out the door. The problem is he still has so much upside if the light bulb ever goes on for him. It's too bad you can't trade college players. We could get a high recruit out of him or something from somebody who thinks they can be the one to get through to him.

It was rumored that Mick tried. All we could get in return was some paint thinner.

 

[BearcatAlum1]

Some people have "it."

Yancy doesn't have "it."

I don't think the ship has sailed, but it's about to cast off.

I think many of us should temper our expectations on what Yancy can and can't do. He is still young and immature, but I think he is a 10-12 ppg and 5-7 rpg type of player. This isn't earth shattering news.


HOWEVER, if Yancy loses 20-25lbs he will produce at the level we all want. He is fat, out of shape, and it kills his ability.

 

[swg]

Getting in shape takes motivation and hard work. Coming in next Nov with less weight/body fat would get me to believe he is taking this seriously.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I know Gates can hustle. Every so often he'll actually run down court, especially when there is a chance HE will score.

I will give Gates this point...UC does such an awful job of going inside to the big men. When they do, Gates almost always feels compelled to shoot, so invariably the defender knows this. When Yancy got the rock last nite, I knew he was going to force up a bad shot, and missed it terribly. More looks inside to the big guys will keep the defender on edge, and allow more open shots for the 3's.

Not sure why this wasn't a focus, but even if the inside guys aren't producing, they still need to be involved in the offense. Something to work on next year.

I hear you. I don't know if it's not a focus, it's a lack of execution. Gates won't work to get the ball within 10 feet of the basket. Toyloy and Thomas either don't catch the ball, don't hold on to the ball, don't get a shot off or don't make the shot. And that's assuming we could get the pass to them. Vaughn and Bishop never did learn to lob the ball over the defender. At some point you can only show players what to do so much -- they have to execute. Plus passing the ball inside keeps us from shooting 30 3's a game. What would Vaughn and Davis do if they can't brick 3's all game?

 

[swg]

As poorly as UC shot from 3 point range, the fact is they would have had more points if all baskets made this year were from long distance. Sad to say, but UC's overall fg percentage was that poor.

 

[Thegreatone]

Play me. I would hit 40 % of my threes. People make fun but I have no doubt I could drop 2 threes per game.

 

[lumberjack]

What should we do?

He has the body of a NBA player but the work ethic of a Jr. High player. His defense is all about trying not to foul.

I would very seriously sit down with Yancy and ask if he wants to continue to play for UC.

Dayton had no one to match him physically. There bigs were tall but thin. He should have been able to back them down all night. Problem is he lacks any post move at all.

My only hope for Yancy is that he is only a sophomore and has time. He is easily the biggest question mark for next year.

Let Mick stand on his shoulders so he can get out of the kiddie pool of coaching!

 

[Not Guilty]

As poorly as UC shot from 3 point range, the fact is they would have had more points if all baskets made this year were from long distance. Sad to say, but UC's overall fg percentage was that poor.

UC shot 29.1% from 3 this year and 49.5% from 2. I don't know what you are talking about, but you are wrong on this one.

The problem is, when you are successful from 2 and awful from 3, your opponent will adjust and make it easier to shoot 3's in order to defend the 3. Its easy to scream we need to stop shooting 3s, but when they are open and the 2 isn't, its not always that easy.

 

[swg]

I took those numbers off the UC site. Although there are different stats from total, or just in conference.

I'm guessing since the total fg percentage included fg from 3 point range, it may have altered the percentage greatly. Perhaps that wasn't the best example, but since it was in jest, that's ok too.

 

[Thegreatone]

Let Mick stand on his shoulders so he can get out of the kiddie pool of coaching!

Heeeeeyooooooo!!!!!

Another classic.

Just kiddin you suck.

 

[swg]

Haha.

 

[lumberjack]

Heeeeeyooooooo!!!!!

Another classic.

Just kiddin you suck.

Not as much as the master and commander of our uc bearcats

 

[ralph1950]

Not as much as the master and commander of our uc bearcats

If you do not like Mick become a UK fan. Mick will be UC's coach for many, many years to come.

 

[ready2go]

If you do not like Mick become a UK fan. Mick will be UC's coach for many, many years to come.

You make me wanna vomit!