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Maybe the administration is as incompetent as the coach Waite....you know...the blind leading the blind. Fundraising is important and the "FACTS" say that Mick Cronin has increased attendance by a little over 500 fans in 10 years, from the season where we were the butt of college basketball jokes with an embarrassing losing record, to today where we stand with 6 straight trips to the NCAA.....500 fans....really....lol. Seems as though there may be a lot more fans thinking just like me. I was told this year that season ticket sales last season were as low as ever. Yes Waite, it is about fundraising and it is entirely clear that if we want more donors, and fans in the seats, a change is needed. After all, not many coaches in America could produce to the level where the University has to reduce seating capacity by two to three thousand. Quite an accomplishment by Mick. I'd bump him up to $2.5 Million.
I wouldn't say that to loud L-T the board might hear you and give him a raise. Its more then obvious the board doesn't share your views. They had him out the door and convinced him to stay. I will point out attendance is down across the board in college hoops. How is the funding going for the rebuild? While some fans may be unhappy the powers to be seem well satisfied with his effort. As long as you and your crowd keep enabling them by supporting the program you may be in for a long sad journey. Arguing about it on Bearcattalk is not going to get Mick fired. I really have to question the validity of your info concerning feelings toward Mick. Can the board and donors really be that blind??? My guess is Mick is meeting expectations or he would have been allowed to walk away.
 
I wouldn't say that to loud L-T the board might hear you and give him a raise. Its more then obvious the board doesn't share your views. They had him out the door and convinced him to stay. I will point out attendance is down across the board in college hoops. How is the funding going for the rebuild? While some fans may be unhappy the powers to be seem well satisfied with his effort. As long as you and your crowd keep enabling them by supporting the program you may be in for a long sad journey. Arguing about it on Bearcattalk is not going to get Mick fired. I really have to question the validity of your info concerning feelings toward Mick. Can the board and donors really be that blind??? My guess is Mick is meeting expectations or he would have been allowed to walk away.

.....especially for programs who don't win championships, don't recruit, and don't coach offense.

Plus....the landscape of college basketball has changed too....lol!
 
I wouldn't say that to loud L-T the board might hear you and give him a raise. Its more then obvious the board doesn't share your views. They had him out the door and convinced him to stay. I will point out attendance is down across the board in college hoops. How is the funding going for the rebuild? While some fans may be unhappy the powers to be seem well satisfied with his effort. As long as you and your crowd keep enabling them by supporting the program you may be in for a long sad journey. Arguing about it on Bearcattalk is not going to get Mick fired. I really have to question the validity of your info concerning feelings toward Mick. Can the board and donors really be that blind??? My guess is Mick is meeting expectations or he would have been allowed to walk away.

Well, since they've already had to push it back a year, I guess not so well.
 
.....especially for programs who don't win championships, don't recruit, and don't coach offense.

Plus....the landscape of college basketball has changed too....lol!
L-T attendance is down even for teams winning Championships. You don't think college athletics have changed? But really I must thank you for continuing to attend and donate even with the mismanagement of the program. I mean without your contributions Mick may very well have been fired already.
 
Well, since they've already had to push it back a year, I guess not so well.
Apparently Not bad enough to replace the Coach. Did I mention they had him walking out the door and begged him back and extended him with a raise recently. With all these fans you have contact with who have expressed displeasure for the program how is it that the board keeps him on. Can't recruit, can't coach offense and has zero credibility with the fan base. Wow, I don't know who is more pitiful, you and the many who dislike him and take every opportunity to discredit him while still helping to pay the bill or the board who keeps running him out there despite the displeasure expressed by all the fans you have contact with. I guess my point is if you and others are going to continue to enable the board to employ a coach who is making a shambles of our once proud tradition by continuing to donate and attend games by purchasing season tickets, the least you can do is not bore the hell out of the rest of us by taking the opportunity to ruin our experience by pointing out to the rest of us how misguided we are for enjoying the product.
 
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Apparently Not bad enough to replace the Coach. Did I mention they had him walking out the door and begged him back and extended him with a raise recently. With all these fans you have contact with who have expressed displeasure for the program how is it that the board keeps him on. Can't recruit, can't coach offense and has zero credibility with the fan base. Wow, I don't know who is more pitiful, you and the many who dislike him and take every opportunity to discredit him while still helping to pay the bill or the board who keeps running him out there despite the displeasure expressed by all the fans you have contact with. I guess my point is if you and others are going to continue to enable the board to employ a coach who is making a shambles of our once proud tradition by continuing to donate and attend games by purchasing season tickets, the least you can do is not bore the hell out of the rest of us by taking the opportunity to ruin our experience by pointing out to the rest of us how misguided we are for enjoying the product.[/QUOTE

Waite, why don't you answer your own question? You should know the answer since you made your big announcement last year that you were taking your posting experience elsewhere as if the whole forum would follow you. But then after months away, you came crawling back to be bored to hell some more. You would think that a guy getting tortured by the anti-Cronin crowd would just leave and never come back...but yet here you are. Bearcattalk thanks you for your contribution to this fan forum. Without your unabated love of Mick, us guys would have nothing to respond to.
 
Apparently Not bad enough to replace the Coach. Did I mention they had him walking out the door and begged him back and extended him with a raise recently. With all these fans you have contact with who have expressed displeasure for the program how is it that the board keeps him on. Can't recruit, can't coach offense and has zero credibility with the fan base. Wow, I don't know who is more pitiful, you and the many who dislike him and take every opportunity to discredit him while still helping to pay the bill or the board who keeps running him out there despite the displeasure expressed by all the fans you have contact with. I guess my point is if you and others are going to continue to enable the board to employ a coach who is making a shambles of our once proud tradition by continuing to donate and attend games by purchasing season tickets, the least you can do is not bore the hell out of the rest of us by taking the opportunity to ruin our experience by pointing out to the rest of us how misguided we are for enjoying the product.

You are one of the best posters on bearcat journal, really like your take on things. good luck with this site.
 
Apparently Not bad enough to replace the Coach. Did I mention they had him walking out the door and begged him back and extended him with a raise recently. With all these fans you have contact with who have expressed displeasure for the program how is it that the board keeps him on. Can't recruit, can't coach offense and has zero credibility with the fan base. Wow, I don't know who is more pitiful, you and the many who dislike him and take every opportunity to discredit him while still helping to pay the bill or the board who keeps running him out there despite the displeasure expressed by all the fans you have contact with. I guess my point is if you and others are going to continue to enable the board to employ a coach who is making a shambles of our once proud tradition by continuing to donate and attend games by purchasing season tickets, the least you can do is not bore the hell out of the rest of us by taking the opportunity to ruin our experience by pointing out to the rest of us how misguided we are for enjoying the product.[/QUOTE

Waite, why don't you answer your own question? You should know the answer since you made your big announcement last year that you were taking your posting experience elsewhere as if the whole forum would follow you. But then after months away, you came crawling back to be bored to hell some more. You would think that a guy getting tortured by the anti-Cronin crowd would just leave and never come back...but yet here you are. Bearcattalk thanks you for your contribution to this fan forum. Without your unabated love of Mick, us guys would have nothing to respond to.
What does my leaving the board have to do with the BOT retaining Mick despite all the fan upheaval over his coaching you continually point out.Why would I answer my own question. I'm trying to understand your logic. Why would you assume I thought the forum would follow me. LMAO!! You have made your point on countless threads. Your unhappy. You have access most of us do not have. It seems your angry with the direction and want to spoil the rxperience for the rest who don't agree with you. My unabated Love for Mick. LOL!! I have never met the man. I enjoy being a fan of the program. I enjoy talking about the games and the recruits. This forum provides that opportunity that is why I returned. My point to you is if your intention is to create a atmosphere of displeasure with the posters which could lead to his dismissal your kidding yourself. If anything your having the opposite effect. If your in such pain over the direction of the program make a real statement and withhold funds. Your comparison of me leaving the board and returning versus you buying expensive tickets and making donations is laughable. As a fellow sport fan who follows the Reds good or bad. Yes I have season tickets I understand your dilemma. No matter how bad they play I'm still there for every home stand. I long for the days of the big red machine. Owners,coaches and players have come and gone. I'm still a die hard fan. I could not see myself going to the games cheering for the team all the while having a part of me hope they lose so the coach could be fired. I certainly wouldn't write that check every year if after every season I was bemoaning the direction of the franchise. L-T that's just me. Not trying to imply you should subscribe to my way of thinking. All I'm saying is we all get your message. Your unhappy with the direction of the program. You've made that abundantly clear daily that you are displeased with the coaching and want a change. The BOT does not agree. your arguement is with them not us.
 
What does my leaving the board have to do with the BOT retaining Mick despite all the fan upheaval over his coaching you continually point out.Why would I answer my own question. I'm trying to understand your logic. Why would you assume I thought the forum would follow me. LMAO!! You have made your point on countless threads. Your unhappy. You have access most of us do not have. It seems your angry with the direction and want to spoil the rxperience for the rest who don't agree with you. My unabated Love for Mick. LOL!! I have never met the man. I enjoy being a fan of the program. I enjoy talking about the games and the recruits. This forum provides that opportunity that is why I returned. My point to you is if your intention is to create a atmosphere of displeasure with the posters which could lead to his dismissal your kidding yourself. If anything your having the opposite effect. If your in such pain over the direction of the program make a real statement and withhold funds. Your comparison of me leaving the board and returning versus you buying expensive tickets and making donations is laughable. As a fellow sport fan who follows the Reds good or bad. Yes I have season tickets I understand your dilemma. No matter how bad they play I'm still there for every home stand. I long for the days of the big red machine. Owners,coaches and players have come and gone. I'm still a die hard fan. I could not see myself going to the games cheering for the team all the while having a part of me hope they lose so the coach could be fired. I certainly wouldn't write that check every year if after every season I was bemoaning the direction of the franchise. L-T that's just me. Not trying to imply you should subscribe to my way of thinking. All I'm saying is we all get your message. Your unhappy with the direction of the program. You've made that abundantly clear daily that you are displeased with the coaching and want a change. The BOT does not agree. your arguement is with them not us.

Thanks Waite...you did answer your own question. You went all over the board with your reply, but your statement on the Reds is exactly what you're asking me to explain, so thanks for answering it for me. Now you don't have to make that whole argument for the one-thousandth time again. Also, your statement on me rooting for us to lose is your own creation, so you can continue to say that, but it's your thing, not mine. You've also made all your same points daily on that other side of the equation. So I guess if you expect to make your same points over and over, you can probably expect the other side to respond. That is how a forum works.

The bottom line is this, until Cronin does something noteworthy for this program, you'll continue to have the great divide. It's simple to fix. Just win a championship, land some top recruits, earn a top 10 ranking, do something in the conference tournament, make a run in the NCAA, whatever. Any one of those would shift the talk to a more positive vibe. He's getting paid $2.5 Million. For that much money, at least one of those things should be within his reach, don't you think?
 
Thanks Waite...you did answer your own question. You went all over the board with your reply, but your statement on the Reds is exactly what you're asking me to explain, so thanks for answering it for me. Now you don't have to make that whole argument for the one-thousandth time again. Also, your statement on me rooting for us to lose is your own creation, so you can continue to say that, but it's your thing, not mine. You've also made all your same points daily on that other side of the equation. So I guess if you expect to make your same points over and over, you can probably expect the other side to respond. That is how a forum works.

The bottom line is this, until Cronin does something noteworthy for this program, you'll continue to have the great divide. It's simple to fix. Just win a championship, land some top recruits, earn a top 10 ranking, do something in the conference tournament, make a run in the NCAA, whatever. Any one of those would shift the talk to a more positive vibe. He's getting paid $2.5 Million. For that much money, at least one of those things should be within his reach, don't you think?
L-T hopefully he can get that done. The reality is if he continues to perform at this level it is more then apparent the BOT is satisfied with his performance. I'm also glad you are not in the box I described. I never root against the Reds and watch every game. It gets tough when they are on the left coast but I manage even in down seasons such as this one. My opinion is Mick is a good coach and the demise of the program falls on the drunken shoulders of Bob Huggins. This may be as far as Mick can take them but I haven't reached that determination yet. Of course you may be much more invested in the program then I am and your at that point were your ready for a change. Rest assured if I thought we were a cinch to bring in someone who could take us farther then our present position I would say so. For now especially with arena upgrades and league affiliation on going my wish is we stand pat. Hopefully with that investment Mick will beable to move forward. Pick out a game you want to go to and I'll teach you something about baseball.lol!!! It's getting hard to get one of my kids to brave the heat.
 
L-T hopefully he can get that done. The reality is if he continues to perform at this level it is more then apparent the BOT is satisfied with his performance. I'm also glad you are not in the box I described. I never root against the Reds and watch every game. It gets tough when they are on the left coast but I manage even in down seasons such as this one. My opinion is Mick is a good coach and the demise of the program falls on the drunken shoulders of Bob Huggins. This may be as far as Mick can take them but I haven't reached that determination yet. Of course you may be much more invested in the program then I am and your at that point were your ready for a change. Rest assured if I thought we were a cinch to bring in someone who could take us farther then our present position I would say so. For now especially with arena upgrades and league affiliation on going my wish is we stand pat. Hopefully with that investment Mick will beable to move forward. Pick out a game you want to go to and I'll teach you something about baseball.lol!!! It's getting hard to get one of my kids to brave the heat.

Lol....you don't have to teach me about baseball. That has always been my sport. I'm still playing softball even at my advanced age. Our manager recently recruited some 5-Star young guys to the team, so I'm letting him manage at least two more years. I'll extend that same olive branch to Mick....two 5-stars and I'll shut up!
 
Lol....you don't have to teach me about baseball. That has always been my sport. I'm still playing softball even at my advanced age. Our manager recently recruited some 5-Star young guys to the team, so I'm letting him manage at least two more years. I'll extend that same olive branch to Mick....two 5-stars and I'll shut up!
lol!! Like you I played a ton of softball in my day. My boys keep trying to talk me into coming out and play. Eyesight isn't what it used to be. Think I could still hit. Until recently I was active in coaching. One of my ex players on my son's youth select team was a former bearcat Josh Harrison. He was my SS. Will be saying hello to him next week when the pirates are in town. A great Kid!!! Was at Pete's induction and it brought tears to my eyes. Been going to Reds games since the late 50's. My Dad used to work midnight shift at the post office on Dalton ave. We would go to the game at Crosely and he would walk to work. Used to fall asleep with a ear plug listening to my transistor radio on games we didn't attend. Guess who was broadcasting. Waite Hoyt. Used to love hearing him recall all the old timers.
 
Friendly posts from Waite & L-T.

Now that's more like it!

We're all fans of the program (except possibly NTS) - that's why we're here. Even if we disagree, I like this tone a lot better than some of the prior posts.

Btw, baseball will always be my first love also. Great game!
 
lol!! Like you I played a ton of softball in my day. My boys keep trying to talk me into coming out and play. Eyesight isn't what it used to be. Think I could still hit. Until recently I was active in coaching. One of my ex players on my son's youth select team was a former bearcat Josh Harrison. He was my SS. Will be saying hello to him next week when the pirates are in town. A great Kid!!! Was at Pete's induction and it brought tears to my eyes. Been going to Reds games since the late 50's. My Dad used to work midnight shift at the post office on Dalton ave. We would go to the game at Crosely and he would walk to work. Used to fall asleep with a ear plug listening to my transistor radio on games we didn't attend. Guess who was broadcasting. Waite Hoyt. Used to love hearing him recall all the old timers.

My baseball experience very closely resembles the things you said. I remember sitting on the steps of Crosley watching the '61 world series with Mantle and Maris and the Yankees. Lol...got the same tears with the Pete induction. He was my idol. Nothing hurts me worse than him being denied entry to Cooperstown. Lol...not even Mick.
 
My baseball experience very closely resembles the things you said. I remember sitting on the steps of Crosley watching the '61 world series with Mantle and Maris and the Yankees. Lol...got the same tears with the Pete induction. He was my idol. Nothing hurts me worse than him being denied entry to Cooperstown. Lol...not even Mick.
Do you remember parking in someone's yard and paying them to watch the car? Lol! Used to go to every opening day. Took my ticket to school, showed the nun and headed to The sun deck at Crosley for batting practice. Got a ball from a back up catcher Jim Coker and had Tommy Harper flip me a ball after warm ups.

Pete was the standard every kid are age modeled his game after. All out all the time. You do know Mick is of that same scrapping western hill background Pete grew up in. I myself was a product of Norwood Knothole. And for those insisting that X is in Norwood your wrong.lol!!
 
Do you remember parking in someone's yard and paying them to watch the car? Lol! Used to go to every opening day. Took my ticket to school, showed the nun and headed to The sun deck at Crosley for batting practice. Got a ball from a back up catcher Jim Coker and had Tommy Harper flip me a ball after warm ups.

Pete was the standard every kid are age modeled his game after. All out all the time. You do know Mick is of that same scrapping western hill background Pete grew up in. I myself was a product of Norwood Knothole. And for those insisting that X is in Norwood your wrong.lol!!

Wow! I'm a product of Norwood Knothole. Dorl field #1 and#2, Waterworks Park #1 and #2, Millcrest Park. Those were the days my friend.
 
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