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Now that there is a rankings thread not sure where to put this since it pertains to both lol. Seton hall went down yesterday big time (only team ahead of us in coaches that isn't in AP) so we will jump them, Xavier got crushed, in sure we will be passing them. Texas tech lost by ten on the road yesterday to #9 Oklahoma, unless a couple other teams lose I don't really see us passing them but who knows. Right now I see us moving up 1 n 2 spots in each poll respectively. Texas tech has another tough game against WVU this weekend, they drop that one it's an obvious move up for us. And I see at most 2-3 other opportunities but that's pushing it. Final guess bearcats end up 11th in polls this week, and after next we finally crack the top ten.
 
Jon Rycek said:
Now that there is a rankings thread not sure where to put this since it pertains to both lol. Seton hall went down yesterday big time (only team ahead of us in coaches that isn't in AP) so we will jump them, Xavier got crushed, in sure we will be passing them. Texas tech lost by ten on the road yesterday to #9 Oklahoma, unless a couple other teams lose I don't really see us passing them but who knows. Right now I see us moving up 1 n 2 spots in each poll respectively. Texas tech has another tough game against WVU this weekend, they drop that one it's an obvious move up for us. And I see at most 2-3 other opportunities but that's pushing it. Final guess bearcats end up 11th in polls this week, and after next we finally crack the top ten.
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If Xavier can win at home on Saturday, they will likely stay right ahead of us.
 
sedziobs said:
Our RPI is irrelevant. It's our opponents' RPIs that matter, more specifically what group they fall into. I think it's definitely worth keeping track of now.
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Many of those RPI numbers are going to change dramatically by season's end. I think when looking at them we have to take Kenpom into consideration at the same time until at least Feb...maybe mid Feb.
 
waterhead said:
Many of those RPI numbers are going to change dramatically by season's end. I think when looking at them we have to take Kenpom into consideration at the same time until at least Feb...maybe mid Feb.
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I agree. That's why I think Temple's win last night might be good for us. Even though their RPI is 36 now, they will likely end up as a borderline top 75 team. And SMU is at 90 now, but they will also likely end up top 75. So Temple's win looks bad now, but by the end of the year might give us an additional Group 1 win. We can look to Kenpom to try to predict what RPI will be at the end of the year, but in the end I think RPI groups are the most important metric. Considering both together is a lot different than just discarding RPI as trash.
 
You look at these losses across college basketball and I think that's spot on why Cronin says don't take winning for granted. Yeah we lose the big games sometimes but we really don't lose games we aren't supposed to lose knock on wood. At lease last year and so far this year.
 
sedziobs said:
I agree. That's why I think Temple's win last night might be good for us. Even though their RPI is 36 now, they will likely end up as a borderline top 75 team. And SMU is at 90 now, but they will also likely end up top 75. So Temple's win looks bad now, but by the end of the year might give us an additional Group 1 win. We can look to Kenpom to try to predict what RPI will be at the end of the year, but in the end I think RPI groups are the most important metric. Considering both together is a lot different than just discarding RPI as trash.
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I don't think RPI is "trash" at the end of the year. It's still a little outdated but generally okay in the end. I just think it's trash right now compared to Kenpom.

I agree with you on column 1 and 2 wins. You take our end of season RPI to get a first idea of a seed. Then you consider column 1 wins and losses followed by column 2. From there you have a very good idea of seeding. 80-90 % of the work is done. Then you can use SOS, bad losses, the other two columns, etc to fine tune the seed. Do we move them up or down a seed line.
 
GarradJ21 said:
You look at these losses across college basketball and I think that's spot on why Cronin says don't take winning for granted. Yeah we lose the big games sometimes but we really don't lose games we aren't supposed to lose knock on wood. At lease last year and so far this year.
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I would agree Cronin has done a GREAT job of not slipping up with a bad loss as well not losing at home. I mean we do have the nation's longest home win streak and we aren't even playing at home this year. Kudos Mick!!!

We should be favored in every game but 1 from here on out. I would expect to lose on senior night at WSU. I am going to start with a 3 loss minimum. Outside of that...in a few other away games we will probably be only favored by a few points as well as our home game against WSU. Anything under a 5 point spread can change with hot and cold shooting.

I think we have to expect at least 1 slip up given we have played a couple of poor games already. If we can hold at home...I like our chances at staying at 4 losses or less. But this still means we get only one slip up on the road outside of WSU (not saying we can't win that one either). That is not an easy task to say the least. You have to have the team ready night in and night out. We have seen other teams slip up in college BB so far. We can't afford too many more nights like FLA and Temple. We will get beat somewhere if we do.

Seeing Cane on the floor more will calm my nerves a bit. It really will. We are a different team when he's on the floor.
 
waterhead said:
I would agree Cronin has done a GREAT job of not slipping up with a bad loss as well not losing at home. I mean we do have the nation's longest home win streak and we aren't even playing at home this year. Kudos Mick!!!

We should be favored in every game but 1 from here on out. I would expect to lose on senior night at WSU. I am going to start with a 3 loss minimum. Outside of that...in a few other away games we will probably be only favored by a few points as well as our home game against WSU. Anything under a 5 point spread can change with hot and cold shooting.

I think we have to expect at least 1 slip up given we have played a couple of poor games already. If we can hold at home...I like our chances at staying at 4 losses or less. But this still means we get only one slip up on the road outside of WSU (not saying we can't win that one either). That is not an easy task to say the least. You have to have the team ready night in and night out. We have seen other teams slip up in college BB so far. We can't afford too many more nights like FLA and Temple. We will get beat somewhere if we do.

Seeing Cane on the floor more will calm my nerves a bit. It really will. We are a different team when he's on the floor.
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I 100% agree with everything you said. I go into every game expecting to win and have all the confidence in the world that we can win, but sometimes you have take a netural approach and realize yes, we can lose a game at WSU and maybe drop another one somewhere along the line. I also fully agree that Cane basically takes us to a different level.
 
I don't know if we should start a bracketology thread yet or what but Lunardi updates his bracket it looks like every Thursday morning. We are currently a 4 seed. We moved from last week's 5 seed. Is CBS going to do that thing like they did last Feb as a pre bracket show? If we continue to win, we will have to a top 4 seed this time.
 
We have not lost at home since 2015. I am wondering when our last bad loss was? It hasn't happened this year or last. It may or may not date back to 2015.

We haven't had March success but to get that job done without a bunch of 4 and 5 star talent is pretty amazing.

I hope we can change things in March this year. We sure could use that as a fan base...if the other stuff isn't enough.
 
We haven't lost any games outside of Kenpom tier A or B since 2015, when we lost at East Carolina and home to Tulane.

Edit: scratch that. Temple at home in 2016 was not tier A or B. Not nearly as bad as the 2015 losses though.
 
sedziobs said:
We haven't lost any games outside of Kenpom tier A or B since 2015, when we lost at East Carolina and home to Tulane.

Edit: scratch that. Temple at home in 2016 was not tier A or B. Not nearly as bad as the 2015 losses though.
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It looks like the Temple loss was also in 2015 not 2016...unless I am reading it wrong.

So our last home loss and our last bad loss was in 2015. That is very very good!
 
waterhead said:
It looks like the Temple loss was also in 2015 not 2016...unless I am reading it wrong.

So our last home loss and our last bad loss was in 2015. That is very very good!
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haha...my bad you are right...it was Jan 16 of 16. Almost 2 calendar years of no home loss or a bad loss.
 
You guys seem confused. We got swept by Temple that year and they won the league. The first loss was end of December 2015 at home. Then we lost by 2 in 2OT at Temple a couple weeks later. Are we saying one of these would be our last bad loss? I don't like Temple but they did go 14-4 in the league that year.
 
Our last home loss was to Temple on Dec 29, 2015. It was also our last loss outside of Kenpom Tiers, which is the best way I know of to measure a "bad loss".
 

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