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bearcat jeff said:
Agree but I miss the mythical Miami Valley Championship.
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I agree. Times are changing. Sports today aren't anything like they were even five to ten years ago. Unfortunately playing teams close to you with natural and common rivalries is one of the things to go. Dayton and Xavier was a big-time rivalry and I doubt they'll play on a regular basis anymore.

And more to my point in the reply as I was in a hurry just checking the site before tip-off, the only way we play those two teams is to play a home and home. Miami for awhile did a US Bank every year after we quit wanting to go up there. Dayton did some sort of arrangement with us with games at US Bank, but its not in either of their best interests to not have us come to their arenas. So the bottom line is if we want to play them we have to go to their arenas every other year and possibly pick up bad losses and maybe even pass up the opportunities to pick up home and homes with the NC States and VCU's and Michigans that we have scheduled. You have to find a good balance of getting some neutral sites and true road games and having as many home games as possible to draw in revenue. Setting up permanent or long-term rivalries with lots of local teams will hinder that. Just the sad reality of things. Every team pretty much has one out of conference rivalry and ours is Xavier. I would like to see if we can get Louisville in the future, but they play UK every year and might not want another permanent opponent.
 
david, I understand Miami and Dayton want home and homes. I think that is better than Kennisaw State any day of the week. Even with those two, I can go on the road and watch the Bearcats with ease at Miami and with some effort at Dayton. most likely no tickets at Dayton
 
bearcat8290 said:
david, I understand Miami and Dayton want home and homes. I think that is better than Kennisaw State any day of the week. Even with those two, I can go on the road and watch the Bearcats with ease at Miami and with some effort at Dayton. most likely no tickets at Dayton
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You have to understand they don't care if you could make it to those games. They want more and more home games to make money.
 
bearcat8290 said:
Schields: I'm not attending away games for anyone else but myself. Not concerned with who cares. My guess is that you haven't paid to see Kennesaw State in action either.

http://www.kennesaw.edu/
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I'm not sure I see your point. If I offended you, that was not my intent. I just wanted to point out that UC does not schedule local teams wanting home and homes because the program "loses" money playing on the road that they would have made playing at home.
 
President Ono has recently met with the Presidents of Baylor, TCU, KSU and Oklahoma. While I think it would be naive of us to think this is strictly sports/conference related, I also think it would be naive to think that topic didn't come up during these meetings.
 
JasonS said:
President Ono has recently met with the Presidents of Baylor, TCU, KSU and Oklahoma. While I think it would be naive of us to think this is strictly sports/conference related, I also think it would be naive to think that topic didn't come up during these meetings.
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I am not trying to be smart, but why else would he meet with those four schools. Could WV already be on board with Cincinnati and these are schools he needs to make a case to? Just a little wishful thinking.
 
AZ BEARCAT said:
I am not trying to be smart, but why else would he meet with those four schools. Could WV already be on board with Cincinnati and these are schools he needs to make a case to? Just a little wishful thinking.
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Was just thinking the same thing.

Maybe he wanted to tell them how cold it was here lately.
 
Ono usually says on Twitter why he is making certain trips, but has not said anything about these meetings. I think these can only be good news; not getting my hopes up too much, but promising enough.
 
I would think Texas would be the biggest hurdle. I'm sure WVU is on board for anyone East of the Mississippi.
 
Ryno99 said:
I would think Texas would be the biggest hurdle. I'm sure WVU is on board for anyone East of the Mississippi.
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Texas is the hurdle but also the place to spend the least time. Here's my thinking. If the other 9 Big 12 schools are on board with Cincinnati, they can put the pressure on Texas. If you don't have the other schools on board, forget about it. I think WVU is absolutely pushing for Cincinnati behind closed doors. They want some place closer that their fans can enjoy road trips, etc.

My personal belief is that UC is #11 IF the Big 12 decides to expand. The issue right now is finding a legitimate #12. The reason I say IF when talking about expansion is because it won't happen if the NCAA allows a conference championship game with less than 12 teams. I know the Big 12 commissioner keeps saying that isn't important but he isn't fooling anyone. If it wasn't important, he wouldn't have asked for the waiver to have one with 10 members. I think it will get denied and then expansion will heat up. I think Ono is in Big 12 country to get out in front of that.
 
JasonS said:
Texas is the hurdle but also the place to spend the least time. Here's my thinking. If the other 9 Big 12 schools are on board with Cincinnati, they can put the pressure on Texas. If you don't have the other schools on board, forget about it. I think WVU is absolutely pushing for Cincinnati behind closed doors. They want some place closer that their fans can enjoy road trips, etc.

My personal belief is that UC is #11 IF the Big 12 decides to expand. The issue right now is finding a legitimate #12. The reason I say IF when talking about expansion is because it won't happen if the NCAA allows a conference championship game with less than 12 teams. I know the Big 12 commissioner keeps saying that isn't important but he isn't fooling anyone. If it wasn't important, he wouldn't have asked for the waiver to have one with 10 members. I think it will get denied and then expansion will heat up. I think Ono is in Big 12 country to get out in front of that.
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We also have to hope they don't expand the playoff to 8 teams.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
We also have to hope they don't expand the playoff to 8 teams.
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That would add 3 extra games to 2 teams. Cowherd was talking about this today. B1G commissioner is against it. He said it is unfair to students saying that they are at the end of semester/quarter and would have finals etc. He did say that if it is all about the money, just do it, but he was clearly against it.
 
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JasonS said:
Texas is the hurdle but also the place to spend the least time. Here's my thinking. If the other 9 Big 12 schools are on board with Cincinnati, they can put the pressure on Texas. If you don't have the other schools on board, forget about it. I think WVU is absolutely pushing for Cincinnati behind closed doors. They want some place closer that their fans can enjoy road trips, etc.

My personal belief is that UC is #11 IF the Big 12 decides to expand. The issue right now is finding a legitimate #12. The reason I say IF when talking about expansion is because it won't happen if the NCAA allows a conference championship game with less than 12 teams. I know the Big 12 commissioner keeps saying that isn't important but he isn't fooling anyone. If it wasn't important, he wouldn't have asked for the waiver to have one with 10 members. I think it will get denied and then expansion will heat up. I think Ono is in Big 12 country to get out in front of that.
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Being #11 and getting into the big 12 is the most important thing. If it came down to making Texas happy that they would not loose money on the tv contract of 2015-2025 so what, just get in. Will still make more then the American
 
No Schields, no offense taken. My point is that I'm not sure that the losing money argument is valid because our home would draw would be much more than Kennesaw state. For instance if we played Dayton this year at home rather than Kennesaw state, we would most likely have more than 10K at the game where as Kennesaw, we would be lucky to dray 5200. Same with Miami. We would draw better than the current group of schools Secondly, obviously, we would have a visit to each school. Distance is not far so travel costs would be minimal. We would get a piece of the action in Dayton, Miami we would probably not do as well due their attendance is down. However, Miami attendance would be up against UC. As I see it, it's a win for both programs. I think Mick is afraid he'll get beat by one or the other. Miami has always played tricks in Oxford so that may be true.
 
All good points, though I'd be surprised if we don't play those teams because Cronin is afraid to lose. I think a major reason we don't do it is program perception. Most Ohio schools have less of a program than we do, so we don't think they deserve a return game. Whether that is a good reason can be debated forever.
 
Scheids21 said:
All good points, though I'd be surprised if we don't play those teams because Cronin is afraid to lose. I think a major reason we don't do it is program perception. Most Ohio schools have less of a program than we do, so we don't think they deserve a return game. Whether that is a good reason can be debated forever.
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Can't we work out a home, home and away? That would be a good place to meet in the middle.
 

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