I don't get the people saying TC is going to be the starting PG. Based on what? Deveroes? High school? This class may have high potential but potential doesn't win games. It's fun to speculate but it's the beginning of July. Sanders looked other worldly in last year's summer league. He's not a bad player by any stretch but we don't put him on a pedestal over it.
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JumpinJack5
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Don't ask yourself why people think TC is gonna be the starting PG, ask yourself who else we have that could be an effective PG. Guyn isn't as bad as some say he is, but he is what he is, a decent backup PG.
I don't think you need a pure point guard.
And against an actual defense, who's to say any of the freshmen are even the back up pg? I'd rather see it in Davis's hands than any of theirs.
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Mick Cronin made TC a priority because he knows how good he is I'm saying he is going to start because why wait two years when he is a junior and only have two years left you should just start him from day one and sure he will mess up a couple times but by the time TC is a senior he will be a super star.
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Sanders looked terrible in early summer league games. People were saying DSL just didn't fit his style.
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JD3 is a SG, I also hope that he gets some minutes at PG, but he can score, so it would be better for him to be able to move around and get in position to score before he got the ball in his hands.
He had multiple 20 point performances last summer and there were tweets that he might lead us in scoring by season's end. I'm sorry, but Deveroes isn't representative of squat, neither is high school. We're not in the same league as years past but I'm not just going to assume these kids are inherently going to set the world on fire against Louisville, UConn etc.
I'm looking to him or someone else to also be the leader on the floor, pulling guys into a huddle, calming players down when needed, and getting in peoples faces when they are not doing their job...essentially a coach on the floor that is an extension of Cronin. I felt like that was lacking last year in general for the team.
Based on what? He's almost as unproven as the frosh. In his first season, he played only 213 minutes, and had more turnovers than assists. Last season was a lost year in terms of real competition....he's like a newbie in many respects. He may log more minutes than any of the new guys, but he'll have to prove himself, same as they will.
Too early to predict how this season will pan out.
Basically this roster consists of:
1 stud
6 upperclassmen who need to develop to take the next step in their games (Dave, JJ, Titus, Sanders, JD3, Guyn)
6 talented (we think) young guys, who will all show glimpses and will all have their struggles (Strickland, Lawrence, Thomas, Mormon, KJ, Troy)
To make the tournament, I think Mick will need 3 guys out of each group earn spots in the late season/post season rotation. It always happens that the minutes are wide open in the early season, but in Jan-March the rotation tightens up.
I think we could see a rotation with JJ, Titus, Lawrence, Thomas, SK, JD3 and Troy getting the majority of the minutes, with Dave, Sanders and Guyn filling in for spot minutes.
Given Mick's track record with redshirting guys, I would expect Johnson or Mormon to be redshirted this year (maybe even Strickland if he shows nothing at the start)
Basically this roster consists of:
1 stud
6 upperclassmen who need to develop to take the next step in their games (Dave, JJ, Titus, Sanders, JD3, Guyn)
6 talented (we think) young guys, who will all show glimpses and will all have their struggles (Strickland, Lawrence, Thomas, Mormon, KJ, Troy)
To make the tournament, I think Mick will need 3 guys out of each group earn spots in the late season/post season rotation. It always happens that the minutes are wide open in the early season, but in Jan-March the rotation tightens up.
I think we could see a rotation with JJ, Titus, Lawrence, Thomas, SK, JD3 and Troy getting the majority of the minutes, with Dave, Sanders and Guyn filling in for spot minutes.
Given Mick's track record with redshirting guys, I would expect Johnson or Mormon to be redshirted this year (maybe even Strickland if he shows nothing at the start)
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Much of a point guards job obviously involves skill but the really good ones have a certain mental make up. They are high iq guys who manage the game and those around them. I don't care who starts as long as they penetrate, distribute, lead, and don't turn the ball over on offense. I think Troy Caupain has the skills and make up to start, my question with all the frosh is can they play defense? I have the same question for GG. He commits many stupid fouls 30 feet from the basket. Whoever starts will have earned it and I'm fine with that.
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You may be right there, I don't follow twitter. But I don't recall anyone on here saying Sanders would be a stud based on previous DSL's. They were saying that based on Rothstein's tweets which I always caution against. As much as I agree that the summer league doesn't mean anything, Sanders didn't even look good there.
1. He's played actually top tier competition in Notre Dame and managed to hold his own.
2. He's had time with the staff to learn and grow, these kids are fresh out of high school. The red shirt year alone is enough for me to give him an edge, add to that the fact he's actually played division 1 basketball and the whole comparison is lopsided in his favor. Think of how many frosh we've had that have made an immediate impact, now think of the ones who had to wait a year or two.
The assumption SHOULD BE, that we cannot rely on freshmen to pull us out of the muck. If they can help, great. If on the other hand, you want me to believe one will be the starting point, because of their performance in summer league, you're loony.
I can see either Guyn or Caupain starting from day 1.
On one hand, I could see Mick simply viewing this as a rebuilding year and planting the frosh, Caupain, at PG from day 1.
On the other hand, I can see Mick's need for good defense, and Guyn having college experience, so he gets the nod.
It's really going to come down to......
1. How quickly the freshman learn to play D-1 quality defense
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2. How much Mick is going to tolerate in defensive breakdowns as the frosh learn
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3. Mick not tolerating defensive breakdowns at all and sticking with the known of the veterans.
On one hand, I could see Mick simply viewing this as a rebuilding year and planting the frosh, Caupain, at PG from day 1.
On the other hand, I can see Mick's need for good defense, and Guyn having college experience, so he gets the nod.
It's really going to come down to......
1. How quickly the freshman learn to play D-1 quality defense
or
2. How much Mick is going to tolerate in defensive breakdowns as the frosh learn
or
3. Mick not tolerating defensive breakdowns at all and sticking with the known of the veterans.
Honestly I hope TC is not end all be all at PG. If we are banking on one frosh I am a bit scared. I am also a bit scared if PG is GG. If the position is really open to 4 players which include JDIII and KJ I will be satisfied that we will come away with a serviceable PG.
Same thing goes for C. I hope we are not relying on JJ or DN but we can get serviceable miutes out of JS or JL.. If neither of these happen we will be fighting an uphill battle.
I can't wait to see these frosh play (along with ST and JdII)...but I am guessing this is a rebuilding year unless those two are a huge part.
Signed eternal optimist.
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I think we need a strong guard that can rebound, defend and do the dirty work in the starting lineup (Like Parker did). Since his minutes are up for grabs I think Troy Caupain will get a majority of them and accept some of the responsibility that Parker had, but with some more offense in their (Running point and scoring).
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SLATS faces off tonight with Mansoor at 8:30. Hicks, Thomas, and Big Dave are listed on the Mansoor roster. I doubt that more than 1-2 of those 3 play, but I would expect to see most of SLATS there.
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I am here to see them play and it is 12:00 minutes to go in the game before Slats but I dont see anyone for Slats here
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SLATS forfeits, glad I found out 2 minutes beforehand.