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The more I think about this, the more I like Scott Nagy. He had a great run at South Dakota St, bringing them up from D2 and making 3 NCAA tournaments in his last 5 years there. He has finished 1st or 2nd in his conference 7 of the last 8 years, the only exception being his first at Wright St.
 
Alum2013 said:
Hey, if he can luck into a National Championship is that really a bad ceiling?
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Because Ollie failed, Van Exel will fail? He might but he may be a great coach. No one knows. A established coach might also fail. Tuberville, Andy enfield
 
cincyguy13 said:
Because Ollie failed, Van Exel will fail? He might but he may be a great coach. No one knows. A established coach might also fail. Tuberville, Andy enfield
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Enfield was not an established coach. He had one good year. That's why I'm looking for sustained success. In a small sample of a few years or less, a team can easily be successful in spite of the coach rather than because of him.
 
cincycpaw said:
Not really. They wanted some changes...and he seemed incapable of making those changes. He's a solid coach...seemed to have plateaued at UC though.

The Bearcats could be worse off or better off...all depending on this hire. Lots of pressure for sure and change is hard. With Mick we knew what we would have. Now we don't. Might be worse, might be better. Sure hope it's the latter.
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This. People wanted to see him evolve and it didn’t seem to happen for whatever reason. He could have been limited by resources, could have been stubborn, who knows. Probably little of both
 
sedziobs said:
Enfield was not an established coach. He had one good year. That's why I'm looking for sustained success. In a small sample of a few years or less, a team can easily be successful in spite of the coach rather than because of him.
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Coaches can also come from nowhere. Brad Stevens. My point is you never know. I don’t think anyone should be ruled out. But that’s just my opinion
 
cincyguy13 said:
Because Ollie failed, Van Exel will fail? He might but he may be a great coach. No one knows. A established coach might also fail. Tuberville, Andy enfield
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No, didn't say that. All I said is former players usually sound exciting...but i've yet to see one that i've been impressed with.
 
TheRealUC said:
No, didn't say that. All I said is former players usually sound exciting...but i've yet to see one that i've been impressed with.
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Agree, it usually doesn’t work but doesn’t mean it can’t. I do think he could get guys to stay and would be more likely to get better players with his nba experience. But yeah, I have no clue if he can coach. I haven’t studied his history
 
cincyguy13 said:
Agree, it usually doesn’t work but doesn’t mean it can’t. I do think he could get guys to stay and would be more likely to get better players with his nba experience. But yeah, I have no clue if he can coach. I haven’t studied his history
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Everything ive heard and read is he is highly thought of in the grizzlies organization. Now former players have gone to twitter to lobby the hiring of Van Exel or Erik Martin.
 
cincyguy13 said:
Agree, it usually doesn’t work but doesn’t mean it can’t. I do think he could get guys to stay and would be more likely to get better players with his nba experience. But yeah, I have no clue if he can coach. I haven’t studied his history
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The other thing is so much of being a head coach has nothing to do with what happens on the court...dealing with administrators, alumni, the community at large, the families of potential recruits etc. No idea if NVE can handle any of that - that's why I would prefer someone with head coaching experience.
 
the_one_32 said:
Everything ive heard and read is he is highly thought of in the grizzlies organization. Now former players have gone to twitter to lobby the hiring of Van Exel or Erik Martin.
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What if we hired NVE as head coach, Kmart, Demarr Johnson, Erik Martin, as the assistants?
 
the_one_32 said:
Everything ive heard and read is he is highly thought of in the grizzlies organization. Now former players have gone to twitter to lobby the hiring of Van Exel or Erik Martin.
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Of course former players would do so. They are biased as hell. And I don't blame them, but that has nothing to do with it being a good hire. As for being highly thought of, again, that's great but doesn't make him a good coach. I'd much rather have someone who has proven they can coach the X's and O's then someone who is only being considered because he was a great player here.

An X's and O's guy, such as Brennan, can hire a great recruiter.

Speaking of which, is Mick taking his staff with him?
 
TheLongHaul said:
Of course former players would do so. They are biased as hell. And I don't blame them, but that has nothing to do with it being a good hire. As for being highly thought of, again, that's great but doesn't make him a good coach. I'd much rather have someone who has proven they can coach the X's and O's then someone who is only being considered because he was a great player here.

An X's and O's guy, such as Brennan, can hire a great recruiter.

Speaking of which, is Mick taking his staff with him?
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Yup, if NVE or the other guys really want to coach here, they need to put in the time first. Work as an assistant for a few years at a high level college team or coach at a mid major.
 
TheLongHaul said:
Of course former players would do so. They are biased as hell. And I don't blame them, but that has nothing to do with it being a good hire. As for being highly thought of, again, that's great but doesn't make him a good coach. I'd much rather have someone who has proven they can coach the X's and O's then someone who is only being considered because he was a great player here.

An X's and O's guy, such as Brennan, can hire a great recruiter.

Speaking of which, is Mick taking his staff with him?
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Listen to yourself. Are you looking at the specifics?

Van Exel has been an assistant at the D1 level and coached in the NBA for more than 10 years. Not too many people working in that role. It's competitive. That job doesn't last because you've been skating on past playing success. He has to actually work with the coaching staff and players to achieve the player develop the team wants to see.

But also as a top point guard in college and the pros, Van Exel always had a high basketball IQ. He knew how to set up a play to break down the defense and not just rely on physical skill sets to score. And while I think some NBA coaches fail at the college level because their game plans require stronger athletes than what most college teams can actually recruit, Van Exel has had the benefit of working with many Grizzlies teams that weren't really the most talented, yet they were mostly competitive this past decade. Give the guy some credit that he could impact the program in a real way.

I'm not saying that college coaching experience isn't valuable. Far from it. But Van Exel does have coaching chops and a charisma that just might be a great fit here. Plus, he knows how hard Huggins and Cronin had to work their teams to succeed. You don't always get that from a guy who was mostly in the mid majors as a player and a coach.
 

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