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bearcat jeff
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Once again Ralph leans on nothing but blind loyalty. It's admirable but when facts are staring you right in the eyes you have to acknowledge the reality of the situation. UC will leap as well if given the chance. The only thing holding them back is the lack of an invitation.
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"West Virginia will be accepted into the conference as a replacement for Missouri, which the conference believes is departing for the SEC. However, according to the source, West Virginia's acceptance into the Big 12 is not contingent on Missouri leaving."
Above is taken from the ESPN story on WVU to the Big 12. I find it interesting that ESPN waited to report this after everyone else jumped on the story this morning. According to ESPN's source WVU is in regardless of what happens with Mizzou.
Above is taken from the ESPN story on WVU to the Big 12. I find it interesting that ESPN waited to report this after everyone else jumped on the story this morning. According to ESPN's source WVU is in regardless of what happens with Mizzou.
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ESPN no longer breaks news. Instead they let everyone else do the dirty work and put their necks out and then they "confirm" the story while not giving credit to the people actually doing the reporting.
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You're right. One thing that's for sure...the domino's will keep falling:
“If it is true, and I don’t know that it is,” Babcock wrote in a text message, “I would not be entirely surprised by it. It would be disappointing. It further emphasizes a need for the Big East Conference to establish trust and stability among its member institutions.”
If UC fans are looking for a reason to be optimistic -and I know they are – there’s a report in the New York Post that the Big 12 will attempt to keep Missouri for one more year, then look to expand to 14 teams the following year, with UC and Louisville both mentioned as candidates for the that expansion.
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/uc/2011/10/25/reported-wv-move-hits-big-east-again/
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UC will stay in the Big East, how many times do you need to hear Pres. Williams say this before you believe him? He stated this position again yesterday at the Babcock press conference.
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How many more times are you going to spew your crap? You show us a report that emphatically states UC turned down an invite to the Big XII and then we'll stop talking about it. Waiting...
Shut up. You are again being a moron. No where in his comments did Williams say they are definitely staying in the BE and would not consider any options. Babcock said that they are commited to the BE BUT will do what is best for the university. This is consistent with what all the schools who left the BE have said prior to their exit.
How about your brilliant insight just yesterday that WVU is not on any ones list. Is this from the same source that tells you UC will never leave the BE?
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Jason I am not spewing anything. Please realize that UC is a university, not a major/minor league sports franchise. UC's priority is research and education. UC draws the vast majority of its out of state students from the east, not the west. UC wants to keep its visibility in the east by remaining a member of the Big East conference. I am sorry that this does not fit your vision for UC football. The closest current Big 12 school is about 700 miles away with most being 900 to 1,000 miles away. The Big East is a BCS conference with a spot in one of the 5 BCS Bowl games. As long as that is the case there is no reason for UC to leave the Big East. The Big East is a contract partner in the BCS, there is no reason to believe the Big East would lose its BCS AQ status. The BCS does not want to be involved in the lawsuit and Congressional investigation that would happen if the Big East were somehow stripped of its AQ status.
This is from Bill Koch's column today about his interview with Pres. Williams:
"I talked to UC president Greg Williams on Monday after the Whit Babcock press conference and Williams said the Big East is making good progress toward executing its 12-team model for football.
“I think the discussions have been very, very positive,” Williams said. “I’ve been involved in some of those discussions. There’s a lot of interest out there. A host of good quality teams have talked to us.”
Williams said he’s more confident about the future of the Big East now than he was two or three weeks ago."
What about his comments makes anyone think that UC will be anywhere but the Big East?
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Why did you leave out the part that said that was before WVU left and then quote Babcock?
Can't wait for those short drives to Houston, SMU, Air Force, Boise etc. It will be really nice to be in that compact Big East conference.
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Ralph, this is the second time I've seen you throw out this stat about drawing students from the East and not the West. Of course we draw out of state students from the areas that are closest to us but I'd like to see you pull a stat or a reference that backs up your comment. The majority of UC students are in state and or commuters to the University. I could argue that expanding your brand into a new area would open up opportunities to gain students from other areas.
You're right Ralph, UC is a University, just like all the other Universities that are currently making moves to other conferences. This is not about academics, it's about football and football only.
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If you don't think having successful and viable sports teams brings in students to a university than you are just nuts. Why did UC move to the Big East in 2005? Money and national exposure. I love UC and I graduated from the University but if you think that it is academically on the level of an Ivy League type of school or other academic and research based universities, you are sorely mistaken. Cincinnati needs a platform to show what it has to offer. That platform has recently been the basketball program and their 14 straight trips to the NCAA Tourney. A 2 hour basketball game or 3 hour football game is a great infomercial for the university as long as people can see it. That is why the Big East was important. It gave the school access to the BCS and football games on ESPN every week. It gave the school more money and the ability to improve facilities and attract student athletes. It gave the basketball program access to the best conference in America and one that constantly gets talked about in the national media and on ESPN. This is what helps get the name of a school out there and gets kids to start thinking about going there. If UC becomes an afterthought in the football landscape because of the conference realignment it will be a shame because this program has come so far in recent years and has really shown the university in a positive light across the country. I love sports and I get that not everyone cares about them, but there are far more people in this country that like sports than don't. Kids in high school don't pull up a Top 25 ranking of best research schools in their free time. They pull up a Top 25 list for football or basketball. That's where the luring of students to a university like UC truly begins.
That was a Bill Koch editorial, not a Williams quote.
Yes but those are the farthest schools, not the closest schools.
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I believe that Cincinnati will also be in the Big 12 sooner than later. They need to bridge the gap between WVU and the rest of the conference. Similar to how Boston College joined the ACC later than VT and Miami. UC and UL will be in the Big 12 before 2014, IMO.
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I think a brick wall is easier to get through than you.
What else is Mick supposed to say? He has to sell recruits on coming to UC and playing in the Big East as we know it today it is a big chip. He still has to act excited about the conference because any way you slice it, UC will be in the Big East the next couple of years.
I listened to Mick. Per usual you twisted what he said to fit your agenda. He said that from a selfish standpoint he would like to stay in the BE. It has been good for the basketball program, and they have no players from the west of the Mississippi. It would not help the basketball program if they left. He did NOT say that he was happy that President Williams is totally committed to keeping UC in the BE. He was happy that they have an aggresive president who will do what is right for UC.
From a basketball standpoint, a move would just change where they recruit. A league that has KU, KSU, Baylor, Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, WVU, UL, and UC would be a powerhouse and recruiting would have to shift to the midwest and south. Its not like there aren't good players in these areas to compete for a national championship. When we were in CUSA we had no trouble recruiting in Texas and found great players there. Mick is a good enough recruiter that he can recruit anywhere. I think a move would not significantly affect basketball and would help football. But he also said his influence on confernce realighment is as much as Mo's. That is, none. So what he said has no wieght.