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[waterhead]

He hasn't won anything. There is reason for some to be critical. Being critical and being a "Mick hater" are two entirely different things.

When Mick wins big many of the reasons to criticize him go away.

See this is just crazy and hurts your argument. You can debate how much you would like to have...but not that you haven't gotten anything. The reason you are probably met with so much adversity is that you don't acknowledge what he has achieved...so that you can point out what he hasn't.

 

[2bearcatdad]

Do you realize how horrible UC would look if they fired Coach Cronin after this season? Why would any coach take this job if going 25-4, getting a Top 5 seed, and having the 2nd longest home winning streak in the country (among other things) isn't good enough?

If you don't actually believe he should be fired, you're trolling.

If you do actually believe he should be fired, you have zero credibility.

Your choice.

100%

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

See this is just crazy and hurts your argument. You can debate how much you would like to have...but not that you haven't gotten anything. The reason you are probably met with so much adversity is that you don't acknowledge what he has achieved...so that you can point out what he hasn't.

Very sound logic

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Do you realize how horrible UC would look if they fired Coach Cronin after this season? Why would any coach take this job if going 25-4, getting a Top 5 seed, and having the 2nd longest home winning streak in the country (among other things) isn't good enough?

If you don't actually believe he should be fired, you're trolling.

If you do actually believe he should be fired, you have zero credibility.

Your choice.

As much as I like NTS tourney content. I have to believe your post is accurate. I would also add to your post that Coach Cronin is not going anywhere in the near future unless it is his choice. The BOT understands your point.

 

[2bearcatdad]

It's kind of funny that you can't criticize this coach who has never actually won anything without being labeled a "Mick hater".

I've given him credit where credit is due this season. This is a UC discussion board, Mick decided to elaborate when asked a simple question by the media. It came across to me as whining and excuses, to some of you it didn't. Seeing as how this is a UC discussion board I figured the group could discuss it.

Although you definitely lean to the negative in regards to our coach, I will say that I've seen you praise him and the team also when you felt it was warranted. My problem with this thread is that it's largely irrelevant. You think Mick was whining. Many others just think he was giving an honest answer. Why we needed a thread just to call him a whiner is beyond me.

There is another frequent poster on this site who I've never seen make any positive comment towards our coach. I can't recall one since I joined the site. The completely one-sided arguments are what frustrates me. Mick can certainly be criticized regarding many decisions that he makes. I'm fine with that. But to ignore and discount the strides this program has made under his direction is disrespectful to the program and it's fans imo. As others have said, that's trolling behavior and shouldn't be condoned on this site.

For what it's worth.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Although you definitely lean to the negative in regards to our coach, I will say that I've seen you praise him and the team also when you felt it was warranted. My problem with this thread is that it's largely irrelevant. You think Mick was whining. Many others just think he was giving an honest answer. Why we needed a thread just to call him a whiner is beyond me.

There is another frequent poster on this site who I've never seen make any positive comment towards our coach. I can't recall one since I joined the site. The completely one-sided arguments are what frustrates me. Mick can certainly be criticized regarding many decisions that he makes. I'm fine with that. But to ignore and discount the strides this program has made under his direction is disrespectful to the program and it's fans imo. As others have said, that's trolling behavior and shouldn't be condoned on this site.

For what it's worth.

They reason I try to avoid criticism of coah is im not qualified to do the job he is doing. I try to grade his performance on my expectations. I also try to keep in mind the resources he has available and how he compares to others in our league. Jacob made a very good point to me awhile ago. We should be a dominating team in our league. I agree and think we have arrived there. The playing field in sports has changed and has continued to change. Building a top flight program using the parameters that are now in place is not easy. Mick does a good job all things considered

 

[cincyguy13]

Although you definitely lean to the negative in regards to our coach, I will say that I've seen you praise him and the team also when you felt it was warranted. My problem with this thread is that it's largely irrelevant. You think Mick was whining. Many others just think he was giving an honest answer. Why we needed a thread just to call him a whiner is beyond me.

There is another frequent poster on this site who I've never seen make any positive comment towards our coach. I can't recall one since I joined the site. The completely one-sided arguments are what frustrates me. Mick can certainly be criticized regarding many decisions that he makes. I'm fine with that. But to ignore and discount the strides this program has made under his direction is disrespectful to the program and it's fans imo. As others have said, that's trolling behavior and shouldn't be condoned on this site.

For what it's worth.

Like I said, I'm a mick guy, but him not winning anything is a fair argument. Regular season wins are great but he has only won one league title in however long he has been here. If he doesn't win anything this year or next, I do think that's a problem.

 

[ervins84]

You really don't think they do this? Why wouldn't they?

Can't speak for NTS, but no I do not think they "rig" it or consider narratives or stories for matchups. If they did, it'd be a massive scandal and a huge deal and bad for business if it ever leaked.

The committee changes members all the time (not sure how often though) and if this ACTUALLY happened there wouldve probably been a smoking gun leak by now with the constant changing group. Someone would talk. Guaranteed.

They do consider geography and other principles referenced earlier. I don't agree with the methods the committee uses and I often disagree with their conclusions, but I don't think they are unethical and lying with regards to how the bracket is created.

 

[UCBearcats]

See this is just crazy and hurts your argument. You can debate how much you would like to have...but not that you haven't gotten anything. The reason you are probably met with so much adversity is that you don't acknowledge what he has achieved...so that you can point out what he hasn't.

Let me rephrase, anything that matters to me. He has won 1 conference regular season championship (tied for 1st) and zero conference tournaments. We have (1) sweet 16 appearance. So in actuality it isn't fair for me to say that he hasn't won anything, but IMO he definitely hasn't won enough.

He's clearly not he worst coach in the world and I think in the last few years he's made some great strides in recruiting. This season was a huge success IMO opinion but not winning the conference with this team is a let down. We were right there and we couldn't close it out and the recent trends in this team's play are cause for concern. I'm very excited about next year's team BTW and I have big expectations for what they can achieve. I just think there is a lot of room for improvement with coach and simply wanting more out of this program doesn't make someone a "Mick hater".

Mick's comments sounded like whining and excuses to me and I'm of the mindset that he has yet to deliver this program to it's full potential. I find it frustrating that Mick has tendency to always talk about how the deck is stacked against him rather than just get the job done and win championships. That was the reason for my thread.

 

[cincyguy13]

Can't speak for NTS, but no I do not think they "rig" it or consider narratives or stories for matchups. If they did, it'd be a massive scandal and a huge deal and bad for business if it ever leaked.

The committee changes members all the time (not sure how often though) and if this ACTUALLY happened there wouldve probably been a smoking gun leak by now with the constant changing group. Someone would talk. Guaranteed.

They do consider geography and other principles referenced earlier. I don't agree with the methods the committee uses and I often disagree with their conclusions, but I don't think they are unethical and lying with regards to how the bracket is created.

We aren't talking about making a 1 seed a 7 seed, I (and mick) were talking about moving a team 1 seed line. If you don't believe they do this, okay. I can't prove it, but if you think the ncaa is ethical or worried about being ethical, that's a whole other issue

 

[2bearcatdad]

Let me rephrase, anything that matters to me. He has won 1 conference regular season championship (tied for 1st) and zero conference tournaments. We have (1) sweet 16 appearance. So in actuality it isn't fair for me to say that he hasn't won anything, but IMO he definitely hasn't won enough.

He's clearly not he worst coach in the world and I think in the last few years he's made some great strides in recruiting. This season was a huge success IMO opinion but not winning the conference with this team is a let down. We were right there and we couldn't close it out and the recent trends in this team's play are cause for concern. I'm very excited about next year's team BTW and I have big expectations for what they can achieve. I just think there is a lot of room for improvement with coach and simply wanting more out of this program doesn't make someone a "Mick hater".

Mick's comments sounded like whining and excuses to me and I'm of the mindset that he has yet to deliver this program to it's full potential. I find it frustrating that Mick has tendency to always talk about how the deck is stacked against him rather than just get the job done and win championships. That was the reason for my thread.

Good post. I agree with essentially all of this (with the exception to the whining - Mick complains about things sometimes, but I don't think he's a chronic whiner).

 

[#BearcatNation]

Let me rephrase, anything that matters to me. He has won 1 conference regular season championship (tied for 1st) and zero conference tournaments. We have (1) sweet 16 appearance. So in actuality it isn't fair for me to say that he hasn't won anything, but IMO he definitely hasn't won enough.

He's clearly not he worst coach in the world and I think in the last few years he's made some great strides in recruiting. This season was a huge success IMO opinion but not winning the conference with this team is a let down. We were right there and we couldn't close it out and the recent trends in this team's play are cause for concern. I'm very excited about next year's team BTW and I have big expectations for what they can achieve. I just think there is a lot of room for improvement with coach and simply wanting more out of this program doesn't make someone a "Mick hater".

Mick's comments sounded like whining and excuses to me and I'm of the mindset that he has yet to deliver this program to it's full potential. I find it frustrating that Mick has tendency to always talk about how the deck is stacked against him rather than just get the job done and win championships. That was the reason for my thread.

If we go 16-2 in conference (very possible at this point) and end up in 2nd because SMU went 17-1, you kind of just have to tip your cap. Sure, winning the conference is nice, but does it really matter *that* much? 16-2 in conference would leave me very little to complain about. We've done our part. I wouldn't feel "let down" at all.

 

[ervins84]

We aren't talking about making a 1 seed a 7 seed, I (and mick) were talking about moving a team 1 seed line. If you don't believe they do this, okay. I can't prove it, but if you think the ncaa is ethical or worried about being ethical, that's a whole other issue

Thinking the tournament committee is ethical is not the same thing as thinking the NCAA is ethical.

 

[waterhead]

See this is just crazy and hurts your argument. You can debate how much you would like to have...but not that you haven't gotten anything. The reason you are probably met with so much adversity is that you don't acknowledge what he has achieved...so that you can point out what he hasn't.

We are teetering on the brink of the next level.

Worst case we have been to the dance 7 years in a row. We have the second longest win streak in the country at home. THAT IS SOMETHING!!

Now...we can all debate about wanting more (and so do I) but that can't take away what HAS been accomplished. We have one of the better coaches in the country...but we want the best. Can he do that? IDK but it took some great coaches pretty long to figure it out (Calhoun, Boheim). We seem to be on the track of getting better this year and by most arguments will only get better next.

I wonder how many debates those other coaches generated and how many they do now? I don't know exactly what we have now...but it's certainly not bad by any stretch. The only question remains is can he achieve next level stuff. I am on the fence until he can...but I can't ignore what he has done.

 

[cincyguy13]

Good post. I agree with essentially all of this (with the exception to the whining - Mick complains about things sometimes, but I don't think he's a chronic whiner).

I think mick whines, but they all do. Coach k is the worst at it and he is doing ok. I don't think its a big deal but sometimes is annoying

 

[cincyguy13]

If we go 16-2 in conference (very possible at this point) and end up in 2nd because SMU went 17-1, you kind of just have to tip your cap. Sure, winning the conference is nice, but does it really matter *that* much? 16-2 in conference would leave me very little to complain about. We've done our part. I wouldn't feel "let down" at all.

It doesn't matter if you are winning other things but we are not. My only thing is, if you want to take that next step and be a program that they want in the Maui or a program that gets respect, you have to win something

 

[waterhead]

It doesn't matter if you are winning other things but we are not. My only thing is, if you want to take that next step and be a program that they want in the Maui or a program that gets respect, you have to win something

I agree...but so far we have done a pretty good job this year. If we can run out and we lose the conference to an SMU team that runs the table and ends up top 10 I can't complain much. Who would have expected that?

SMU coach deserves coach of the year! If we end up 2nd with two losses I will be very happy about our performance! Every year there is an excuse I guess. We have had eventual NCAA champs in our conference as well...playing at home in conference tourney.

Those are two of the 4 years. I would have liked to take care of business in the other two years...but playing UConn at home in the tourney is not our fault either. Edit...well I guess it could be...lol!

 

[jacobkdoyle]

If we go 16-2 in conference (very possible at this point) and end up in 2nd because SMU went 17-1, you kind of just have to tip your cap. Sure, winning the conference is nice, but does it really matter *that* much? 16-2 in conference would leave me very little to complain about. We've done our part. I wouldn't feel "let down" at all.

Yeah I agree. I'm all about winning the conference and winning home games. At the beginning of the year if you would've told me we could have a real shot at 18-0 at home and 16-2 in AAC, I would've taken that no questions asked.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Can't speak for NTS, but no I do not think they "rig" it or consider narratives or stories for matchups. If they did, it'd be a massive scandal and a huge deal and bad for business if it ever leaked.

The committee changes members all the time (not sure how often though) and if this ACTUALLY happened there wouldve probably been a smoking gun leak by now with the constant changing group. Someone would talk. Guaranteed.

They do consider geography and other principles referenced earlier. I don't agree with the methods the committee uses and I often disagree with their conclusions, but I don't think they are unethical and lying with regards to how the bracket is created.

Exactly. If you disagree with the methodology (in terms of seeding/locations) then fine, but they are just following the bracketing procedures. They changed the rules in 2002 that created the "protected seeds" (so top 4 seeds in each region are protected from a home court disadvantage in the first round).

I think most people don't actually follow or understand how the bracketing happens but seem to have no problem commenting on what they consider "oddities." If Mick is so confident in his claims, take them to court and see what happens? There isn't enough evidence to make that claim which is why no one ever will.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Never thought there'd come a point in time where I was actually defending the NCAA...well done Mick.