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TheLongHaul said:
I definitely believe you, but my concern isn't whether it's different, it's whether it's effective. Mick has changed the offense numerous times to try to match personnel but I think very few can say that they worked.



Seriously? I think the offensive struggles under Mick is a pretty legitimate concern. Mick has shown he can change his offense, but implies that it's been effective, which is pretty hard to argue that his offense has been effective.

I think it's a bit mature to say that this team has the size and skill that no other team before under Mick has had. Yancy was pretty damn big and pretty damn skillful for a big and the offense wasn't great with him either. Then when he left everyone said it would open up the lanes, but guess what, the offense wasn't great after that either. I'm hopefully on the young guys but they are unproven, just as Jermaine Lawrence was unproven. Personally I think the 4 and 5 spots are going to be their biggest weakness this year so I don't see how it's going to help the offense.

My point isn't to knock Mick. I love him, but I don't love the way his offense has performed and think it's a legitimate concern for this year as well considering one of UC's best scorers in history is gone.
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Good observations LH. I agree with what you've said. I would argue that our offense "must" be way better because our losses on defense were extreme. SK, JJ, and TR were as good as it gets defensively. I don't see this squad being anywhere close to last years defensively. The difference has to come on offense. Hopefully, the gains on offense will negate what we've lost defensively and we hopefully end up with a net gain overall.
 
Chad Brendel @ChadBrendel · 14m 14 minutes ago

Cronin: "I can tell you if we started the games tonight Ge and Troy would start together in the backcourt."

Dont sleep on Ge just yet
 
TheLongHaul said:
I definitely believe you, but my concern isn't whether it's different, it's whether it's effective. Mick has changed the offense numerous times to try to match personnel but I think very few can say that they worked.



Seriously? I think the offensive struggles under Mick is a pretty legitimate concern. Mick has shown he can change his offense, but implies that it's been effective, which is pretty hard to argue that his offense has been effective.

I think it's a bit mature to say that this team has the size and skill that no other team before under Mick has had. Yancy was pretty damn big and pretty damn skillful for a big and the offense wasn't great with him either. Then when he left everyone said it would open up the lanes, but guess what, the offense wasn't great after that either. I'm hopefully on the young guys but they are unproven, just as Jermaine Lawrence was unproven. Personally I think the 4 and 5 spots are going to be their biggest weakness this year so I don't see how it's going to help the offense.

My point isn't to knock Mick. I love him, but I don't love the way his offense has performed and think it's a legitimate concern for this year as well considering one of UC's best scorers in history is gone.
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Offensive philosophy and offensive execution are two different things. I believe that the offenses that have been run have best allowed that team, that season, to win games. It wasn't always pretty or efficient but that was not always the problem with the design of the offense.
 
L-T said:
Good observations LH. I agree with what you've said. I would argue that our offense "must" be way better because our losses on defense were extreme. SK, JJ, and TR were as good as it gets defensively. I don't see this squad being anywhere close to last years defensively. The difference has to come on offense. Hopefully, the gains on offense will negate what we've lost defensively and we hopefully end up with a net gain overall.
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I don't worry about the defense under Mick. Plus, it's much easier to teach defense, especially if you have the athletes. Offense is much harder to teach.

JasonS said:
Offensive philosophy and offensive execution are two different things. I believe that the offenses that have been run have best allowed that team, that season, to win games. It wasn't always pretty or efficient but that was not always the problem with the design of the offense.
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Offensive execution has a lot to do with philosophy. If your players can't execute the offense than it might not be the right philosophy. Plus, I'm not sure you can blame execution considering offense has always been an issue under Mick.
 
TheLongHaul said:
I don't worry about the defense under Mick. Plus, it's much easier to teach defense, especially if you have the athletes. Offense is much harder to teach.



Offensive execution has a lot to do with philosophy. If your players can't execute the offense than it might not be the right philosophy. Plus, I'm not sure you can blame execution considering offense has always been an issue under Mick.
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I disagree. Missing open shots doesn't mean the philosophy was wrong.
 
JasonS said:
I disagree. Missing open shots doesn't mean the philosophy was wrong.
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Then I guess you would agree he needs to start recruiting better shooters, right?

I find it tough to believe that the only reason the offense has struggled through Mick's tenure is because they missed open shots.
 
coachpipe said:
Chad Brendel @ChadBrendel · 14m 14 minutes ago

Cronin: "I can tell you if we started the games tonight Ge and Troy would start together in the backcourt."

Dont sleep on Ge just yet
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Huh KJ isn't as safe as we all thought, just what I been saying all along. He ain't that impressive .
 
Bearcatboy said:
Huh KJ isn't as safe as we all thought, just what I been saying all along. He ain't that impressive .
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Kj is very impressive, it's one little quote after one day of practice, kj might have made a few mistakes that day. Cronin will be hard on him because he expects a lot of him, cronin was all over sk his first few years and he will be the same with kj( both are warriors on the court). But go back and look at previous quotes, I'd be shocked if he's not one of top players on the team( I personally see him leading us in scoring.) kj is going to a huge step forward this year and help lead this talented young team
 
coachpipe said:
Chad Brendel @ChadBrendel · 14m 14 minutes ago

Cronin: "I can tell you if we started the games tonight Ge and Troy would start together in the backcourt."

Dont sleep on Ge just yet
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Is this just coach speak, maybe something to motivate KJ? Sounds like the starting positions aren't as locked up as we were told.

A quote from a day ago,


Originally Posted by Chad Brendel View Post
I will be beyond shocked if Kev isn't starting from day one at the two...
 
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Bearcat Rob said:
Kj is very impressive, it's one little quote after one day of practice, kj might have made a few mistakes that day. Cronin will be hard on him because he expects a lot of him, cronin was all over sk his first few years and he will be the same with kj( both are warriors on the court). But go back and look at previous quotes, I'd be shocked if he's not one of top players on the team( I personally see him leading us in scoring.) kj is going to a huge step forward this year and help lead this talented young team
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Right now KJ is as impressive as everyone else, Cronin always goes with experience. Caupain is starting because he is the pg mick has always been looking for. Some people are putting way to much stock in the last 2 weeks of last season for KJ.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
Is this just coach speak, maybe something to motivate KJ? Sounds like the starting positions aren't as locked up as we were told.

A quote from a day ago,


Originally Posted by Chad Brendel View Post
I will be beyond shocked if Kev isn't starting from day one at the two...
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I'll still be surprised if KJ isn't a starter, but he hasn't taken care of the ball the past few days. That's how you get passed...
 
Bearcatboy said:
Right now KJ is as impressive as everyone else, Cronin always goes with experience. Caupain is starting because he is the pg mick has always been looking for. Some people are putting way to much stock in the last 2 weeks of last season for KJ.
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Kj has skill and he plays hard d. I believe he may have had a bad practice or two, but we need him this year his scoring will be crucial. He looked like the top dog in the Bahamas but again that doesn't mean much. It will be very interesting tho but I'm very high on kj
 
Bearcat Rob said:
Kj has skill and he plays hard d. I believe he may have had a bad practice or two, but we need him this year his scoring will be crucial. He looked like the top dog in the Bahamas but again that doesn't mean much. It will be very interesting tho but I'm very high on kj
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I agree he plays hard and has talent but he has shown nothing in games so far its all been in pratice and the Bahamas you can't put much stock in talent alone. He will probably be really good as a JR and SR I just don't think he's going to make that big of a jump this season from last.
 
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The fact of the matter is that that under Mick Cronin the most ppg that UC has averaged is 69 and I believe they have done that twice. 4 out of the 5 seasons prior to Micks arrival UC averaged over 70 and in some seasons the upper 70's. So offense under Mick hasn't always been terrible but it is the reason UC hasn't been able to make the leap to the next level.

Because Cincinnati plays such good defense it has allowed them to win a lot of games over the past few years but to beat elite teams consistently you have to be able to score. Balanced scoring and multiple scoring threats are a must to do this.
 

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