Sean Kilpatrick Eager (Koch)

[JasonS]

Because it is May 4th. No one knows how he can help this team, since he was redshirted.

People speculate on things all the time (for example, this entire thread). No one (besides Mick and the team) knows why he was redshirted. My point was that we should talk about something more constructive rather than talk about something that is done and over and can't be changed. Should we go back and revisit our loss in the Big East Tourney? Of course not. It is done and over.

 

[JasonS]

My biggest issue is with the "that's why he redshirted" quote. It's bs. You do not redshirt a guy because he's too good and you want to save the year, with the type of team we had. What if Lance got hurt in January, Februrary,..? Couldn't we have used some scoring off the bench? Most teams would like to have depth, even at the 7,8,9 spots.

So it's either A.) our coaching staff made a downright idiotic decision to not use a kid who could help, on a team that desperately needed it. B.) the comment is completely bogus and Mick is just throwing is name out there b/c he's new. IMO, it really has to be one or the other and I think it's the latter.

You know if Mick was counting on him to score this year he could have done that as a Soph as well, maybe he'd be even better after a year of experience??? I know crazy, right? Were they that concerned with the 2013-2014 season?

Look, I'm not saying SK won't/can't be good but let's be honest. He was a 3 star recruit, he has never played. It's so hard for even top 10 kids handle the transition out of high school to college (See Lance, THE ALL TIME leading scorer in NY) IMO, it's unfair to put that type of comment on a McDAA caliber of player and here we have it with a kid who wasn't even in the top 100.

Sorry, just being honest but these comments singling out a 3 star RS Frosh are incredibly stupid and/or insulting. You don't single out a kid like that and coach should know better. If he even says "we're hoping SK can pick up some of load" would be fine. Again, the "that's why we redshirted him" makes absolutely no sense. You redshirted him b/c you knew he'd be taking over the following year and you'd be counting in him? What????

It's a lot easier to say that after the fact. How many minutes did you really expect SK to have this year before the season started? Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[ready2go]

People speculate on things all the time (for example, this entire thread). No one (besides Mick and the team) knows why he was redshirted. My point was that we should talk about something more constructive rather than talk about something that is done and over and can't be changed. Should we go back and revisit our loss in the Big East Tourney? Of course not. It is done and over.

I believe talking about his redshirt year is relevant because it speaks for itself. Especially when Mick is the one hyping him up.

Oh and is that not what was put in the article. And is that not what this thread is about. The Article!

As for him not taking minutes from LS last year. And hindsight being 20/20. Ok, basically we are saying that he got soo much better by playing against our scrubs in practice for a year.

 

[JasonS]

I believe talking about his redshirt year is relevant because it speaks for itself. Especially when Mick is the one hyping him up.

Oh and is that not what was put in the article. And is that not what this thread is about. The Article!

We agree to disagree then. There is nothing concrete to talk about in regards to SK's redshirt year except that he didn't play. If you want to talk about how his redshirt year might help him next year or what he might bring to the table, then fine and I am on board. But this conversation has turned into "Mick is an idiot for redshirting him" and when no one really knows why he was redshirted, I think that is unfair.

 

[MDW79]

It's a lot easier to say that after the fact. How many minutes did you really expect SK to have this year before the season started? Hindsight is 20/20.

I don't disagree with redshirting him, it's the comment. "That's why we redshirted him"

It makes no sense at all. He basically said, SK can score and will contribute immediately, that's why we redshirted him. Huh? If that's why he didn't play then we have the dumbest coaching staff on the planet. The reason he redshirted was b/c he was going to play much.

What coach would follow this logic, which what the quote implies, "This kid can score, contribute immediately and will counted on heavily next year. Let's redshirt him." They either made a bad choice not playing him or are overhyping him. It's really that simple.

 

[JasonS]

I don't disagree with redshirting him, it's the comment. "That's why we redshirted him"

It makes no sense at all. He basically said, SK can score and will contribute immediately, that's why we redshirted him. Huh? If that's why he didn't play then we have the dumbest coaching staff on the planet. The reason he redshirted was b/c he was going to play much.

What coach would follow this logic, which what the quote implies, "This kid can score, contribute immediately and will counted on heavily next year. Let's redshirt him." They either made a bad choice not playing him or are overhyping him. It's really that simple.

Yeah, I think that comment was a bit strange. I wish I was a fly on the wall to listen in to the entire conversation. I wonder what question Bill asked him before he said that, though. He really makes it sound bad for Mick (wouldn't be the first time Koch has done something like that) and if that is what he said, then I agree you have to scratch your head.

 

[MDW79]

We agree to disagree then. There is nothing concrete to talk about in regards to SK's redshirt year except that he didn't play. If you want to talk about how his redshirt year might help him next year or what he might bring to the table, then fine and I am on board. But this conversation has turned into "Mick is an idiot for redshirting him" and when no one really knows why he was redshirted, I think that is unfair.

But it's not "Mick is an idiot for redshirting him". At least for me it's not. It's Mick is an idiot for this comment. I'm not even saying he's wrong in that SK can handle the scoring load. Although I think it's a bit much to ask.

 

[JasonS]

Ultimately I think this comment has to be for the fans benefit (and in turn to SK's detriment). I think when Mick missed out on some players this spring (not necessarily for this year's team), like Teague, Mick may have felt he needed to pump up the programs to get the fans excited. The only player coming in that even has a chance to be an impact player next year is SK.

 

[ready2go]

But it's not "Mick is an idiot for redshirting him". At least for me it's not. It's Mick is an idiot for this comment. I'm not even saying he's wrong in that SK can handle the scoring load. Although I think it's a bit much to ask.

Yes, same for me. I'm not saying SK should have played last year. I'm just implying the statement, "That is why we redshirted" makes no sense to me. I said earlier in the thread that it makes it seem like he is trying to take heat off his back because he did not get any new recruits. Therefore saying we have a guy to score. Don't need anyone else.

 

[MDW79]

Ultimately I think this comment has to be for the fans benefit (and in turn to SK's detriment). I think when Mick missed out on some players this spring (not necessarily for this year's team), like Teague, Mick may have felt he needed to pump up the programs to get the fans excited. The only player coming in that even has a chance to be an impact player next year is SK.

100% agree.

 

[MDW79]

Yes, same for me. I'm not saying SK should have played last year. I'm just implying the statement, "That is why we redshirted" makes no sense to me. I said earlier in the thread that it makes it seem like he is trying to take heat off his back because he did not get any new recruits. Therefore saying we have a guy to score. Don't need anyone else.

Definitely. And I can see where he's coming from, coaches do this, and it is MC's job to sell the program. I just question if he could have worded this differently or approached it another way. I think we're left with a comment that probably insulted people more than it pumped them up and put more pressure on this kid. Again, if he just went about it another way... I honestly feel for Mick in this spot, he's trying and the idea itself (SK can score) is not absolutely crazy but he's not winning anyone over by this.

 

[JasonS]

dude, Koch just reused the quote from http://cincinnati.com/blogs/uc/2010/04/28/cronin-might-not-use-stephenson-scholarship-next-year/ and changed the context. Koch does this ALOT, and would be roasted if we still cared as a fanbase.

Go back and read this (thanks for posting the link blackcattitude). Koch is throwing Mick under the bus in this SK article and he has slightly changed the context of Mick's quote. Unfortunately, slightly changing the context can completely change the message.

I think Mick was saying that SK was redshirted so he would have an impact as a Freshman. Here is some of what Koch wrote in the article:

With the departure of their top two scorers from last season – Stephenson and senior guard Deonta Vaughn – the Bearcats have a need for someone to fill the void on an offense that struggled to score consistently in 2009-10 even with Stephenson and Vaughn.

But it doesn’t appear that Cronin will be able to find that player on the recruiting trail this late in the recruiting season.

“There’s nobody out there that’s going to be able to come in as a freshman and make that kind of impact,” Cronin said. “Those kind of guys aren’t available. Sean Kilpatrick is the answer for that. That’s why he was redshirted.”


Unfortunately that puts a TON of pressure on SK.

 

[MDW79]

Go back and read this (thanks for posting the link blackcattitude). Koch is throwing Mick under the bus in this SK article and he has slightly changed the context of Mick's quote. Unfortunately, slightly changing the context can completely change the message.

I think Mick was saying that SK was redshirted so he would have an impact as a Freshman. Here is some of what Koch wrote in the article:

With the departure of their top two scorers from last season – Stephenson and senior guard Deonta Vaughn – the Bearcats have a need for someone to fill the void on an offense that struggled to score consistently in 2009-10 even with Stephenson and Vaughn.

But it doesn’t appear that Cronin will be able to find that player on the recruiting trail this late in the recruiting season.

“There’s nobody out there that’s going to be able to come in as a freshman and make that kind of impact,” Cronin said. “Those kind of guys aren’t available. Sean Kilpatrick is the answer for that. That’s why he was redshirted.”


Unfortunately that puts a TON of pressure on SK.

Ok, that is interesting. I remember reading this but did not know the quotes were exactly the same. It does sound like Koch just changed the subject/questions and inserted the previous quotes. If so, that's bs reporting and is not doing Mick any favors.

 

[swg]

At the time it made sense to redshirt him. I don't think Mick imagined that Davis and Dixon would regress later on in the season. The playing time he would have gotten would not have justified throwing him in there. Besides, most frosh aren't exactly productive. Him being 21 and having redshirted...gives me more reason to believe he can come in, produce, and get serious minutes.

 

[Who Dey Time]

OK. He got redshirted because Mick felt LS was going to take minutes from SK.
What if Lance didn't go pro? Would Mick Gray Shirt SK?

Does not make sense.

Makes perfect sense IMO. If Lance had stayed, Kilpatrick would get the majority of Deonta's minutes and they would be on the floor together.

 

[MDW79]

I think Kilpatrick will contribute this year but not to the level many are expecting. Bishop should see the lion's share of the minutes at the 3, I'd say between 25 and 30 minutes. Wilks should also see some time at that spot.

You have a log jam of guys at that the two:

A Sr, which is worth something in Davis, who also played quite a bit last year.

Dixon, a guy that underwhelmed last year but looked great as a Fr. IMO, he was misused last year and suffered from having no defined role. Remember, people were very high on this guy and many gave the same hype to him as thy are SK. Similar pedigree recruit, diamond in the rough, scored in bunches... As a Jr, and from what I've seen, I would like him to see at least 15mpg.

Parker, should see some serious time, I would hope, in addition to spelling Cash at the point.

All this leaves some minutes for SK but I'm not sure where the idea that he'll be getting 25min and being one of our top scorers is coming from. I see him getting time at the 2 and 3, and he even may start a few games but if I had to guess I would put him close to Dixon production as a Frosh. Which is great, would bode well for him, just don't see him averaging 10+ppg this year.

Fwiw, my starting 5 would be:

Cash
Parker
Bishop
Thomas
Gates

 

[Not Guilty]

I don't understand the large contigent of Bearcat fans that think Wilks is going to play the 3. He has never played the 3 at UC in his first 3 years and has weak ball handling skills. Add to that the fact that we are not deep at all down low and I don't see how 100% of his minutes will continue to come at the 4.

 

[JordanW]

I don't disagree with redshirting him, it's the comment. "That's why we redshirted him"

It makes no sense at all. He basically said, SK can score and will contribute immediately, that's why we redshirted him. Huh? If that's why he didn't play then we have the dumbest coaching staff on the planet. The reason he redshirted was b/c he was going to play much.

What coach would follow this logic, which what the quote implies, "This kid can score, contribute immediately and will counted on heavily next year. Let's redshirt him." They either made a bad choice not playing him or are overhyping him. It's really that simple.

How does it not make sense when the expectations for our best player ( for the first 3 years of his career) Deonta Vaughn were very high? Lance and Cash were supposed to come in and open up the floor for Deonta to return to his natural position instead of playing the point. That obviously didn't work out because Cash took time to come into his own.
This is Sean's position, the 2 guard. He was obviously a freshman coming in just like Lance, albeit without the number of accolades. We had other players to fill a back up roll off the bench who we EXPECTED to produce like Dixon, which didn't work out. I really don't know what you guys are making a fuss about. Nitpick the crap out things.

 

[bearcat jeff]

I think Kilpatrick will contribute this year but not to the level many are expecting. Bishop should see the lion's share of the minutes at the 3, I'd say between 25 and 30 minutes. Wilks should also see some time at that spot.

You have a log jam of guys at that the two:

A Sr, which is worth something in Davis, who also played quite a bit last year.

Dixon, a guy that underwhelmed last year but looked great as a Fr. IMO, he was misused last year and suffered from having no defined role. Remember, people were very high on this guy and many gave the same hype to him as thy are SK. Similar pedigree recruit, diamond in the rough, scored in bunches... As a Jr, and from what I've seen, I would like him to see at least 15mpg.

Parker, should see some serious time, I would hope, in addition to spelling Cash at the point.

All this leaves some minutes for SK but I'm not sure where the idea that he'll be getting 25min and being one of our top scorers is coming from. I see him getting time at the 2 and 3, and he even may start a few games but if I had to guess I would put him close to Dixon production as a Frosh. Which is great, would bode well for him, just don't see him averaging 10+ppg this year.

Fwiw, my starting 5 would be:

Cash
Parker
Bishop
Thomas
Gates

Kilpatrick will average 10-12 points a game. He will probably start at sg, or he will play 20 minutes a game at both the 2 and 3. One reason Mick is continuing to look for pg depth is that he wants to play Parker on the wing. He will get time at both guard positions and the 3 if quality depth is found at pg. Sean Kilpatrick will start.

Cash/Parker
Kilpatrick/Parker
Bishop
Thomas
Gates

As the roster now stands Dixon, Jackson and Wilks will get minutes as well. Overall, I think the team as a whole will be improved and that collective scoring from Thomas, Wilks, and Bishop will improve. I know some didn't want Bishop back but I think we will see a much more agrressive Bishop offensively and that he'll play a big part in replacing lost production.

 

[cincinnati insanity]

SK wiil be a good scorer there is no doubt in my mind about that, if he will be a great player is yet to be seen. I think alot of people thought that CW would come in and score but what people dont remember is he got all them points vs not so good competition. His highschool wasnt as good as Kilpatricks highschool by no means! As for Dion he looked good in the summer league so people started thinking that would carry over to the collegiate game and it didnt and it will not ever. Dion is almost and elite level athlete and thats what he got away from last year! He tried to be a scorer and thats just not what hes going to do, DD needs to be and offensive rebounder and a shut down defender for us because his offensive game is terrible and he will never be able to fix that!!! He needs to use that athleticism to his favor, he is an athlete and not a basketball player!!! Please dont count out JP who showed a pretty good outside shot and a tough attacking style to the rim. Ibrahima will also be improved even though he is soft he can alter shots and showed pretty good moves around the basket if he learns to shoot the 15 to 18 ft jumper instead of the 3 only he wil be way more productive!!!1