Sean Kilpatrick Eager (Koch)

[JordanW]

I think Kilpatrick will contribute this year but not to the level many are expecting. Bishop should see the lion's share of the minutes at the 3, I'd say between 25 and 30 minutes. Wilks should also see some time at that spot.

You have a log jam of guys at that the two:

A Sr, which is worth something in Davis, who also played quite a bit last year.

Dixon, a guy that underwhelmed last year but looked great as a Fr. IMO, he was misused last year and suffered from having no defined role. Remember, people were very high on this guy and many gave the same hype to him as thy are SK. Similar pedigree recruit, diamond in the rough, scored in bunches... As a Jr, and from what I've seen, I would like him to see at least 15mpg.

Parker, should see some serious time, I would hope, in addition to spelling Cash at the point.

All this leaves some minutes for SK but I'm not sure where the idea that he'll be getting 25min and being one of our top scorers is coming from. I see him getting time at the 2 and 3, and he even may start a few games but if I had to guess I would put him close to Dixon production as a Frosh. Which is great, would bode well for him, just don't see him averaging 10+ppg this year.

Fwiw, my starting 5 would be:

Cash
Parker
Bishop
Thomas
Gates

I agree with 99% of this but I think if SK can score he's going to get plenty of minutes. Obviously we won't know that until the season starts but I'm hoping for the best!

 

[MDW79]

How does it not make sense when the expectations for our best player ( for the first 3 years of his career) Deonta Vaughn were very high? Lance and Cash were supposed to come in and open up the floor for Deonta to return to his natural position instead of playing the point. That obviously didn't work out because Cash took time to come into his own.
This is Sean's position, the 2 guard. He was obviously a freshman coming in just like Lance, albeit without the number of accolades. We had other players to fill a back up roll off the bench who we EXPECTED to produce like Dixon, which didn't work out. I really don't know what you guys are making a fuss about. Nitpick the crap out things.

Again, you're missing my point. I have NO ISSUE with SK redshirting, it make sense if he's not going to play. I thought it was actually smart. I have issue with the comment. If he's a scorer and picks up some of the load, great but it makes no sense to say "SK is the answer to that, that's why we redshirted him."

 

[Not Guilty]

Again, you're missing my point. I have NO ISSUE with SK redshirting, it make sense if he's not going to play. I thought it was actually smart. I have issue with the comment. If he's a scorer and picks up some of the load, great but it makes no sense to say "SK is the answer to that, that's why we redshirted him."

You are not understanding the context of the comment. Cronin was talking about not using the scholarship on a player that wouldn't be able to contribute. SK is the answer for a new player that is going to come in and pick up some of the scoring slack. And that was definitely part of the reason he was redshirted, given that Deonta and Lance were not expected to return when the decision to redshirt SK was made.

By the way, Mick also mentioned pretty much every returning player increasing their production as an answer for filling the scoring void as well. Koch just left that out of his most recent article.

 

[MDW79]

You are not understanding the context of the comment. Cronin was talking about not using the scholarship on a player that wouldn't be able to contribute. SK is the answer for a new player that is going to come in and pick up some of the scoring slack. And that was definitely part of the reason he was redshirted, given that Deonta and Lance were not expected to return when the decision to redshirt SK was made.

By the way, Mick also mentioned pretty much every returning player increasing their production as an answer for filling the scoring void as well. Koch just left that out of his most recent article.

That was not the context of the quote in the most recent article, which is the one I read. Maybe Koch is at fault for that and it is not what Mick meant but that's what I was referring to.

The fact of the matter is that SK would have played last year if he was heads and shoulders better than Dixon, Davis, Parker. He was not. Yes, Lance and Deonta both took up a lot of minutes but if SK couldve been a very valuable role player. It turns out they didn't think they could get him the minutes so they redshirted him, which is fine, it's probably smart. However, I'm going to be just a little skeptical when I hear how he solves our problems. Hopefully he'll be good and the year off did wonders for him. I hope so cuz he was behind Larry Davis and Dixon last year, to the tune of not even being active.

I think too many people are writing off Dion as well. Some have just given up on him to crown a new face, who is 3star Frosh who has never seen the floor in college.

 

[Catpaw]

That was not the context of the quote in the most recent article, which is the one I read. Maybe Koch is at fault for that and it is not what Mick meant but that's what I was referring to.

The fact of the matter is that SK would have played last year if he was heads and shoulders better than Dixon, Davis, Parker. He was not. Yes, Lance and Deonta both took up a lot of minutes but if SK couldve been a very valuable role player. It turns out they didn't think they could get him the minutes so they redshirted him, which is fine, it's probably smart. However, I'm going to be just a little skeptical when I hear how he solves our problems. Hopefully he'll be good and the year off did wonders for him. I hope so cuz he was behind Larry Davis and Dixon last year, to the tune of not even being active.

I think too many people are writing off Dion as well. Some have just given up on him to crown a new face, who is 3star Frosh who has never seen the floor in college.

The "unknown" is always better than the average known right?

 

[Not Guilty]

That was not the context of the quote in the most recent article, which is the one I read. Maybe Koch is at fault for that and it is not what Mick meant but that's what I was referring to.

The quote Koch used is originally from the article Koch wrote about Cronin possibly saving the scholarship that Stephenson left open.

 

[cincinnati insanity]

Maybe Cronin redshirted SK because like all of us he thought LS was going to come in and destroy everything in his path. To the uknowings of MC LS couldnt shoot to save his life!!! Talking about Parker, Dixon, and Davis SK is a way better scorer/shooter than them 3 but Cronin likes defense and maybe SK was no showing that. He played Davis last year for what to take silly 3's miss them and run down the court and smile no he did it because he thinks Davis is a very good on the ball defender , that would be the only reason i could see!!!! Sometimes put in the right situation players step up and i really do think SK will step up and be the scorer that we need and then again maybe not. Parker is the key to our sucess I promise UC goes as this kid goes!!!!!!

 

[ready2go]

You are not understanding the context of the comment. Cronin was talking about not using the scholarship on a player that wouldn't be able to contribute. SK is the answer for a new player that is going to come in and pick up some of the scoring slack. And that was definitely part of the reason he was redshirted, given that Deonta and Lance were not expected to return when the decision to redshirt SK was made.

By the way, Mick also mentioned pretty much every returning player increasing their production as an answer for filling the scoring void as well. Koch just left that out of his most recent article.

Its like a fairy tale. Everything works out in the end.

This statement right here gets me everytime. Just because we have one more year of experience does not mean players will increase production. For example: Vaughn, Gates, Dixon, Davis, Bishop. Their stats in just about every catagory decreased or remained the same from the year before. Yea it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside that we have a year more experience, but fact of the matter is that does not always translate into increased production.

And guess what? We aren't the only team that gained another year of experience. Those ten teams that finished ahead of UC are going to be better next year as well.

 

[Not Guilty]

Its like a fairy tale. Everything works out in the end.

This statement right here gets me everytime. Just because we have one more year of experience does not mean players will increase production. For example: Vaughn, Gates, Dixon, Davis, Bishop. Their stats in just about every catagory decreased or remained the same from the year before. Yea it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside that we have a year more experience, but fact of the matter is that does not always translate into increased production.

And guess what? We aren't the only team that gained another year of experience. Those ten teams that finished ahead of UC are going to be better next year as well.

Of course you miss the point. The point was that Mick isn't counting on SK to be the only answer to replace the lost production from Vaughn and Stephenson. He also expects others to improve. If you don't think that will happen, fine (I bet you are wrong, but that is a different conversation). The point is that Mick doesn't expect SK to solve our scoring problems by himself. He said as much. Koch just left it out of the second article.

 

[ready2go]

Of course you miss the point. The point was that Mick isn't counting on SK to be the only answer to replace the lost production from Vaughn and Stephenson. He also expects others to improve. If you don't think that will happen, fine (I bet you are wrong, but that is a different conversation). The point is that Mick doesn't expect SK to solve our scoring problems by himself. He said as much. Koch just left it out of the second article.

I would hope SK doesn't avg 70 a game. Would be cool tho!

 

[ME80]

I think many are reading to much into this. SK would only have to average around 12 points a game to successfully replace the scoring of either Lance or Deonte. If SK is the offensive player many think, I do not think this is too much to ask of him.

 

[Catpaw]

I think many are reading to much into this. SK would only have to average around 12 points a game to successfully replace the scoring of either Lance or Deonte. If SK is the offensive player many think, I do not think this is too much to ask of him.

Really? You realize what Vaughn averaged as a senior? What Lance averaged last year?

I think people get WAY over excited about players they haven't watched before. Expecting 12 ppg from a RS freshman is a little much.

 

[clo]

Its like a fairy tale. Everything works out in the end.

This statement right here gets me everytime. Just because we have one more year of experience does not mean players will increase production. For example: Vaughn, Gates, Dixon, Davis, Bishop. Their stats in just about every catagory decreased or remained the same from the year before. Yea it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside that we have a year more experience, but fact of the matter is that does not always translate into increased production.

And guess what? We aren't the only team that gained another year of experience. Those ten teams that finished ahead of UC are going to be better next year as well.

I think every coach hopes and expects their players to improve every year. No, it is not garaunteed, but most would hope at least a couple step up. I don't know why that quote would bother you. If players did not improve, you could trim half of every roster after a player's freshman year, because you already would know their ceiling and whether they could produce or not. If you never get improvement, then there is a problem, possibly in coaching. I expect some that there will be players from this team that step up and produce in a larger manner. Otherwise look for alot a 45 pnt games, jk.

 

[BearcatAlum1]

Really? You realize what Vaughn averaged as a senior? What Lance averaged last year?

I think people get WAY over excited about players they haven't watched before. Expecting 12 ppg from a RS freshman is a little much.

12 ppg would be a nice average for a redshirt freshmen. 12 ppg could very well be our leading scorer next year.

Neither Vaughn nor Born Ready averaged 12 points/game. Expecting SK to score 12/game might be overly optimistic.

However, I think we'll see a much better "team game" from the 'Cats next year. I think we'll see a better "motion" offense and far less standing.

It will be nice to have some seniors and juniors on the roster that have been in the program for their entire careers, rather than a season or two (i.e. Juco).

We'll likely be picked in preseason polls to finish between 10-13 in the BE, but this team should surprise some folks.

Hopefully the fear that there is no "go to man" creates some urgency for personal and team growth.

 

[swg]

If all our starters avg 10 points, UC would be in great shape. Actually, it's not that far-fetched this year.

 

[ready2go]

I think every coach hopes and expects their players to improve every year. No, it is not garaunteed, but most would hope at least a couple step up. I don't know why that quote would bother you. If players did not improve, you could trim half of every roster after a player's freshman year, because you already would know their ceiling and whether they could produce or not. If you never get improvement, then there is a problem, possibly in coaching. I expect some that there will be players from this team that step up and produce in a larger manner. Otherwise look for alot a 45 pnt games, jk.

My point was, yes the norm is that MOST players do get better. That is a given, so why point that out. However, not ALL do improve. Such as those 4 or 5 guys I mentioned earlier. Not to mention the fact that every player coming back except Gates averaged less than double digits last year. That is a lot of improving especially for a team who struggled to score and finished 11th in the Big East. Is Mick going to give the inexperienced excuse again?

I was making a point to whoever it was that said Koch failed to add the part in his article about others stepping up. That SHOULD happen. All fans expect that.

 

[clo]

My point was, yes the norm is that MOST players do get better. That is a given, so why point that out. However, not ALL do improve. Such as those 4 or 5 guys I mentioned earlier. Not to mention the fact that every player coming back except Gates averaged less than double digits last year. That is a lot of improving especially for a team who struggled to score and finished 11th in the Big East. Is Mick going to give the inexperienced excuse again?

I was making a point to whoever it was that said Koch failed to add the part in his article about others stepping up. That SHOULD happen. All fans expect that.

I guess I was just saying that I don't think it should be irritating to have a coach count on players to step up. If the coach doesn't think his players will improve, he probably shouldn't be coaching. Whether he does get them to improve could be a different story, I'll give you that. I think several of these players were defering to Lance and DV, and will hopefully step up. I feel all coaches should expect progress from their players and will probably say so. You may be correct expecting them all to step up may be a little overly optimistic.

 

[ME80]

Really? You realize what Vaughn averaged as a senior? What Lance averaged last year?

I think people get WAY over excited about players they haven't watched before. Expecting 12 ppg from a RS freshman is a little much.

Yes I do, around 12 each, and was very disappointed in the way each played. I said in my email if SK is as offensive minded as many have said, 12 points should be attainable.

 

[ready2go]

Yes I do, around 12 each, and was very disappointed in the way each played. I said in my email if SK is as offensive minded as many have said, 12 points should be attainable.

I think what is getting lost in all of this is the fact that he eventually will be a great scorer. But to count on him right off the bat next year to come in and put up points is a lot to ask, 12ppg. Cash said it best, the game is going a lot faster. It is taking time to adjust. Think he mentioned something about slowing the game down in his head. This is going to happen for SK to, especially after being out of it for a year. How long it takes him to adjust, only he will know.

I am counting on SK to be a big time scorer for this program. I just feel it is going to take him sometime to get on track and play at the Big East level. Down the road I can see him being like Sam Young was for Pitt. Basketball savy and an old school approach.

 

[bearcat jeff]

I think what is getting lost in all of this is the fact that he eventually will be a great scorer. But to count on him right off the bat next year to come in and put up points is a lot to ask, 12ppg. Cash said it best, the game is going a lot faster. It is taking time to adjust. Think he mentioned something about slowing the game down in his head. This is going to happen for SK to, especially after being out of it for a year. How long it takes him to adjust, only he will know.

I am counting on SK to be a big time scorer for this program. I just feel it is going to take him sometime to get on track and play at the Big East level. Down the road I can see him being like Sam Young was for Pitt. Basketball savy and an old school approach.

The difference is that typically players that practice for a year have less of a learning curve than those that totally sit. Cash was unable to even play for months! SK played against a first team (respectable) defense every day. He will certainly have some ups and downs, but it will not be the same transition that Cash went thru.