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cincyguy13 said:
In a league like this, you have to schedule like gonzaga. But everyone says we can't, so we have to run the table and beat the teams we do schedule. This year we didn't. I love this team but in my opinion, We are still a couple players away. Caupain and Johnson weren't great this year
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This was a outstanding year for this program. Sure it could have been better but all in all a very good year. Even for this conference.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
I agree playing in or league helped our overall record but it hinders us in other ways. Other then league members taking a big step forward we will always be playing with one hand tied behind our backs. I really don't know how you pay the bills and schedule better at the same time in this conference. Getting out of this crap league should be the No. 1 priority. Probably why UCONN is considering a move to the Big East.
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Getting out of this league should be a top priority but football directs that decision.

My point is I don't understand all the comments on this board and from Mick himself about us getting "screwed by the committee". Can anyone really say with a straight face we deserve a 4 seed?

We're 29-5 because of the AAC, drop this team into any other power conference and there's not a chance in hell they go 29-5. I'd say a 6 is exactly what this team deserves.
 
UCBearcats said:
Getting out of this league should be a top priority but football directs that decision.

My point is I don't understand all the comments on this board and from Mick himself about us getting "screwed by the committee". Can anyone really say with a straight face we deserve a 4 seed?

We're 29-5 because of the AAC, drop this team into any other power conference and there's not a chance in hell they go 29-5. I'd say a 6 is exactly what this team deserves.
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I didn't see many if any say we deserved a 4 seed. I don't think 5 was in any way out of the question. Hypotheticals aren't really relevant. NOBODY knows what our record would have been in a different conference.

We might have had a few more losses, but also a few more "good" wins.
 
#BearcatNation said:
Anybody else still think conference affiliation doesn't matter much? SMU and UC both have resume's of 5-seeds (at worst), and of course get docked a seed for being in the AAC. How fun.

It just absolutely sucks to have the blind resume of a clear-cut 4 or 5 seed, but since the committee views the AAC as basically the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, we don't stand a chance.

I really feel like being in this conference, we max out at like a 3-seed. And that would be with nearly running the table.
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If we ever make a run, we'll get the benefit of the doubt. Gonzaga just got a 1 seed in the WCC. It can happen. We either need to lose 2-3 games max next year or hope the teams that are supposed to be tourney teams in our league bounce back and make us a 4-5 bid league. 2 bids is bad. Definitely can't become the norm.
 
IDC said:
Gonna have to run the table next year and force the committee's hand at a top seed. Gonzaga did it despite a crap conference. Just the reality. 1 or 2 losses MAX to get a top seed.
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Just saw this. Didn't mean to plagerize in my response :).
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Bottom line is this. We had a very good year in our conference. We finished second with 3 losses and were runner up in the conference tourney. We lost in the tourney to the team that won the league and was the No. 1 seed. I guess we could have beat SMU and won the league and conference title but all that got them was the same 6 seed that we got only in a different part of the country. League affiliation is huge. The question we all need to ask is was the down year in the AAC a one time thing or is it going to be a ongoing issue. Have we become the A-10 or some other lowly conference? Look we have beat to death the issues of difficulty in recruiting, scheduling as well as financial impact. All these things impacted our league. If we want to be considered a big time program we have to get out of this conference. Other wise we are playing at a huge disadvantage that will only be harder to navigate through.
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We could let UConn leave and add Tournament regulars like Dayton, Wichita State, and VCU. That'd help a little.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
If we ever make a run, we'll get the benefit of the doubt. Gonzaga just got a 1 seed in the WCC. It can happen. We either need to lose 2-3 games max next year or hope the teams that are supposed to be tourney teams in our league bounce back and make us a 4-5 bid league. 2 bids is bad. Definitely can't become the norm.
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100% agree. We keep forgetting the step where we have to earn the benefit of the doubt. That means beating lower seeded teams and getting out of the first weekend.
 
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UCBearcats said:
Conference matters to an extent but it's not a reason why you can't compete at the highest level, just look at Gonzaga. The biggest issue with the AAC is that it doesn't allow us to build up our SOS and you really can't afford to lose any games you shouldn't.

We're a 6 seed because we deserve a 6 seed. We played a total of 7 games this year against teams that made the tourney and we went 3-4 in those games. When you play in a conference like the AAC the margin for error is very slim if you want to be seeded somewhere in the top 3 or 4. If we go 5-2 in those 7 games we're probably a 3 seed.

When you play in the AAC and you don't win the conference then you really don't have much of a right to bitch about seeds. SMU won the conference but outside of beating us twice their next best win was against TCU. They have zero wins against any teams in the tournament outside of their two against us. We all made the same arguments about the importance of SOS when we played in the Big East and finished with 11 and 12 losses every year so it's kind of hypocritical for anyone to now complain about the ACC getting a bunch of teams in.

We're not a 6 seed because we play in the AAC, we're a 6 seed because we didn't take full advantage of the chances we had to earn a higher seed.
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How dare you sell us short!?!? We are 4-4 vs tourney teams...OR DID YOU FORGET THE TEXAS SOUTHERN GAME!?!?!?
 
UCBearcats said:
Getting out of this league should be a top priority but football directs that decision.

My point is I don't understand all the comments on this board and from Mick himself about us getting "screwed by the committee". Can anyone really say with a straight face we deserve a 4 seed?

We're 29-5 because of the AAC, drop this team into any other power conference and there's not a chance in hell they go 29-5. I'd say a 6 is exactly what this team deserves.
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It would be easier to say with a straight face that we deserved a 4 seed if I had any idea what they were basing the seeds on. According to KenPom, yes we were better. Sure, we lost to Butler, but Iowa State has a better KenPom ranking than us, we beat them on the road, and they got a 5 and we got a 6, so they must not have paid too much attention to head to head.

Duke's OOC SOS was 102, FSU was 120, UCLA was 286(!). Those teams got a 2 seed and a 3 seed. Purdue was 163, WVU was 261, Notre Dame was 189 and those are 4 and 5 seeds. UC's was 34.

Looking at those numbers, what, realistically, could UC have done to get a higher seed? Give them a perfect conference record and tournament title and that makes them 32-2, but doesn't change their overall SOS and adds two top 25 wins and one top 100 win (assuming 3 losses to SMU wouldn't drop them from the top 25 RPI). Would 4 top 25 RPI wins be enough to get a top 4 seed? I really don't know.

This probably sounds more whiny than intended, but my biggest issue with the committee is they seemingly used different metrics for different teams based on where they wanted to put them and what would generate the most interest.
 
eric3287 said:
It would be easier to say with a straight face that we deserved a 4 seed if I had any idea what they were basing the seeds on. According to KenPom, yes we were better. Sure, we lost to Butler, but Iowa State has a better KenPom ranking than us, we beat them on the road, and they got a 5 and we got a 6, so they must not have paid too much attention to head to head.

Duke's OOC SOS was 102, FSU was 120, UCLA was 286(!). Those teams got a 2 seed and a 3 seed. Purdue was 163, WVU was 261, Notre Dame was 189 and those are 4 and 5 seeds. UC's was 34.

Looking at those numbers, what, realistically, could UC have done to get a higher seed? Give them a perfect conference record and tournament title and that makes them 32-2, but doesn't change their overall SOS and adds two top 25 wins and one top 100 win (assuming 3 losses to SMU wouldn't drop them from the top 25 RPI). Would 4 top 25 RPI wins be enough to get a top 4 seed? I really don't know.

This probably sounds more whiny than intended, but my biggest issue with the committee is they seemingly used different metrics for different teams based on where they wanted to put them and what would generate the most interest.
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If we went 32-2 and still got a 6 seed I'd be pissed, but we didn't go 32-2. I bet at 32-2 we'd be at worst a 3 seed and might actually have a decent gripe at a 2. Then again at 32-2 we'd also be ranked in the top 5 in the country, conference champs, and the buzz surrounding our program would be much larger than it currently is.
 
UCBearcats said:
If we went 32-2 and still got a 6 seed I'd be pissed, but we didn't go 32-2. I bet at 32-2 we'd be at worst a 3 seed and might actually have a decent gripe at a 2. Then again at 32-2 we'd also be ranked in the top 5 in the country, conference champs, and the buzz surrounding our program would be much larger than it currently is.
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Well if all that was true smu wouldn't be a 6, but they are.
 
UCBearcats said:
If we went 32-2 and still got a 6 seed I'd be pissed, but we didn't go 32-2. I bet at 32-2 we'd be at worst a 3 seed and might actually have a decent gripe at a 2. Then again at 32-2 we'd also be ranked in the top 5 in the country, conference champs, and the buzz surrounding our program would be much larger than it currently is.
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Correct. So the two options in the AAC seem to be:
1) Be a top 5 team
2) Get seeded anywhere 6 (MAYBE 5) - 8.

I think that's really stupid, but no one in the committee is asking for my opinion.
 
jacobkdoyle said:
We could let UConn leave and add Tournament regulars like Dayton, Wichita State, and VCU. That'd help a little.
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that is a option but to be what we all want this program to be we need to be in a P5 conference. My gosh we have 2 very nice local programs in us and god forbid X. Our high school football is some of the best in the country. We have two Pro sports franchises right here in the city. The BOT really dropped the ball on this when it first came around. Pitt, Louisville and Syracuse all got out and we are stuck. Makes me sick to my stomach. Then we invest all the money in football. Hire TT and still get left out.
 

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