We had limited scoring options. This year we have 2 great options and carry over two of our best from last year. I'm not sure if they are playing great team basketball yet...but a some point we should gel as a team. I hope we have enough mental toughness to win this next game.
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We had limited scoring options. This year we have 2 great options and carry over two of our best from last year. I'm not sure if they are playing great team basketball yet...but a some point we should gel as a team. I hope we have enough mental toughness to win this next game.
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These are my thoughts.
Like everyone else I want more wins. I want big loud crowds and a fun atmosphere.
Jake and others make good points we could be doing better in our present conference. That said, we are not the same program we were 15-20 years ago. Much has changed in college athletics which has forced us to re-invent ourselves. Basketball used to drive the train years ago but what the administration found was the big money was in Football. It took many years and coaches to fill the Nip and even with our most recent success we still were in a I can't believe we are doing this good mode. No one dared believe we could sustain our football success. Especially if your a older supporter. Guys there is a reason we have committed every dime into trying to get in a better conference. The financial divide will continue to widen if we don't. Think about your own situations. trying to accomplish things on the cheap is very difficult. The huggins years are gone and they are not coming back unless we find a way into conference that adds more dollars to our athletic budget. Cronin has kept us respectable. Like many of you I want more but there are risk associated with making a change. We could do a lot worse. I would ask you to look at our performance from Jucker to Huggins. I do not want to relive those years. I see the program being very respectable. Not great but respectable. I have seen enough in recruiting to determine we do very well for not being in a P5 conference. We get our share of good players fro that pool an we make the Tourney. If we want more our administration needs to get to work. They were late to the dance. We played musical chairs and were left without a seat. Enjoy what you have because things could be much worse. The next move belongs to the BOT. Mick is doing well not great with his end.
Like everyone else I want more wins. I want big loud crowds and a fun atmosphere.
Jake and others make good points we could be doing better in our present conference. That said, we are not the same program we were 15-20 years ago. Much has changed in college athletics which has forced us to re-invent ourselves. Basketball used to drive the train years ago but what the administration found was the big money was in Football. It took many years and coaches to fill the Nip and even with our most recent success we still were in a I can't believe we are doing this good mode. No one dared believe we could sustain our football success. Especially if your a older supporter. Guys there is a reason we have committed every dime into trying to get in a better conference. The financial divide will continue to widen if we don't. Think about your own situations. trying to accomplish things on the cheap is very difficult. The huggins years are gone and they are not coming back unless we find a way into conference that adds more dollars to our athletic budget. Cronin has kept us respectable. Like many of you I want more but there are risk associated with making a change. We could do a lot worse. I would ask you to look at our performance from Jucker to Huggins. I do not want to relive those years. I see the program being very respectable. Not great but respectable. I have seen enough in recruiting to determine we do very well for not being in a P5 conference. We get our share of good players fro that pool an we make the Tourney. If we want more our administration needs to get to work. They were late to the dance. We played musical chairs and were left without a seat. Enjoy what you have because things could be much worse. The next move belongs to the BOT. Mick is doing well not great with his end.
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-about-cincinnati-has-to-make-noise-in-march/
A very nice article about our program. Worth the read!!!
A very nice article about our program. Worth the read!!!
http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-about-cincinnati-has-to-make-noise-in-march/
A very nice article about our program. Worth the read!!!
That is a good article, thanks for posting. It seems like the author is one of the few national guys who actually knows what he's talking about with UC.
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http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-about-cincinnati-has-to-make-noise-in-march/
A very nice article about our program. Worth the read!!!
Must win in March to gain national respect. Getting 3/4 seeds will certainly help.
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Anybody else still think conference affiliation doesn't matter much? SMU and UC both have resume's of 5-seeds (at worst), and of course get docked a seed for being in the AAC. How fun.
It just absolutely sucks to have the blind resume of a clear-cut 4 or 5 seed, but since the committee views the AAC as basically the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, we don't stand a chance.
I really feel like being in this conference, we max out at like a 3-seed. And that would be with nearly running the table.
It just absolutely sucks to have the blind resume of a clear-cut 4 or 5 seed, but since the committee views the AAC as basically the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, we don't stand a chance.
I really feel like being in this conference, we max out at like a 3-seed. And that would be with nearly running the table.
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Can't disagree with you. Of course wouldn't it be nice to eliminate UCLA and mess up there grand scheme.Anybody else still think conference affiliation doesn't matter much? SMU and UC both have resume's of 5-seeds (at worst), and of course get docked a seed for being in the AAC. How fun.
It just absolutely sucks to have the blind resume of a clear-cut 4 or 5 seed, but since the committee views the AAC as basically the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, we don't stand a chance.
I really feel like being in this conference, we max out at like a 3-seed. And that would be with nearly running the table.
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Anybody else still think conference affiliation doesn't matter much? SMU and UC both have resume's of 5-seeds (at worst), and of course get docked a seed for being in the AAC. How fun.
It just absolutely sucks to have the blind resume of a clear-cut 4 or 5 seed, but since the committee views the AAC as basically the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, we don't stand a chance.
I really feel like being in this conference, we max out at like a 3-seed. And that would be with nearly running the table.
Conference matters if the teams that are usually good, are terrible. If they were decent it wouldn't hurt as much
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conference certainly does matter. Look at the ACC. You'll here a bunch of people even arguing that Syracuse got jobbed by being left out. Being in this conference is a kiss of death but we need to make the best of a bad situation. Not a easy task.Conference matters if the teams that are usually good, are terrible. If they were decent it wouldn't hurt as much
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Bottom line is this. We had a very good year in our conference. We finished second with 3 losses and were runner up in the conference tourney. We lost in the tourney to the team that won the league and was the No. 1 seed. I guess we could have beat SMU and won the league and conference title but all that got them was the same 6 seed that we got only in a different part of the country. League affiliation is huge. The question we all need to ask is was the down year in the AAC a one time thing or is it going to be a ongoing issue. Have we become the A-10 or some other lowly conference? Look we have beat to death the issues of difficulty in recruiting, scheduling as well as financial impact. All these things impacted our league. If we want to be considered a big time program we have to get out of this conference. Other wise we are playing at a huge disadvantage that will only be harder to navigate through.
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Conference matters to an extent but it's not a reason why you can't compete at the highest level, just look at Gonzaga. The biggest issue with the AAC is that it doesn't allow us to build up our SOS and you really can't afford to lose any games you shouldn't.
We're a 6 seed because we deserve a 6 seed. We played a total of 7 games this year against teams that made the tourney and we went 3-4 in those games. When you play in a conference like the AAC the margin for error is very slim if you want to be seeded somewhere in the top 3 or 4. If we go 5-2 in those 7 games we're probably a 3 seed.
When you play in the AAC and you don't win the conference then you really don't have much of a right to bitch about seeds. SMU won the conference but outside of beating us twice their next best win was against TCU. They have zero wins against any teams in the tournament outside of their two against us. We all made the same arguments about the importance of SOS when we played in the Big East and finished with 11 and 12 losses every year so it's kind of hypocritical for anyone to now complain about the ACC getting a bunch of teams in.
We're not a 6 seed because we play in the AAC, we're a 6 seed because we didn't take full advantage of the chances we had to earn a higher seed.
We're a 6 seed because we deserve a 6 seed. We played a total of 7 games this year against teams that made the tourney and we went 3-4 in those games. When you play in a conference like the AAC the margin for error is very slim if you want to be seeded somewhere in the top 3 or 4. If we go 5-2 in those 7 games we're probably a 3 seed.
When you play in the AAC and you don't win the conference then you really don't have much of a right to bitch about seeds. SMU won the conference but outside of beating us twice their next best win was against TCU. They have zero wins against any teams in the tournament outside of their two against us. We all made the same arguments about the importance of SOS when we played in the Big East and finished with 11 and 12 losses every year so it's kind of hypocritical for anyone to now complain about the ACC getting a bunch of teams in.
We're not a 6 seed because we play in the AAC, we're a 6 seed because we didn't take full advantage of the chances we had to earn a higher seed.
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Most people agreed that conference mattered. Some of us just said you can still compete being in our conference
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I see the logic in what your saying. We could have helped ourselves with winning against RI and playing Duke. Beating SMU and Butler as well. But the real issue is that our league other then SMU afforded us no opportunity to improve our SOS. Yea Gonzaga did but they had to be unbeaten to get any notice. We lost 3 league games. We beat Iowa St on the road and X when they had Sumner a potential first round pick. It is conference related. Oh and when we were in the Big east we had a opportunity almost every night to get a quality win. Running the table in the ACC is not a reward it is a expectation if you want a 5 seed. SMU was one win short and got a 6 seed.Conference matters to an extent but it's not a reason why you can't compete at the highest level, just look at Gonzaga. The biggest issue with the AAC is that it doesn't allow us to build up our SOS and you really can't afford to lose any games you shouldn't.
We're a 6 seed because we deserve a 6 seed. We played a total of 7 games this year against teams that made the tourney and we went 3-4 in those games. When you play in a conference like the AAC the margin for error is very slim if you want to be seeded somewhere in the top 3 or 4. If we go 5-2 in those 7 games we're probably a 3 seed.
When you play in the AAC and you don't win the conference then you really don't have much of a right to bitch about seeds. SMU won the conference but outside of beating us twice their next best win was against TCU. They have zero wins against any teams in the tournament outside of their two against us. We all made the same arguments about the importance of SOS when we played in the Big East and finished with 11 and 12 losses every year so it's kind of hypocritical for anyone to now complain about the ACC getting a bunch of teams in.
We're not a 6 seed because we play in the AAC, we're a 6 seed because we didn't take full advantage of the chances we had to earn a higher seed.
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No getting around it, this year, the league was terrible. Even the 2 teams that were good didn't exactly light up the none conference schedule.
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I see the logic in what your saying. We could have helped ourselves with winning against RI and playing Duke. Beating SMU and Butler as well. But the real issue is that our league other then SMU afforded us no opportunity to improve our SOS. Yea Gonzaga did but they had to be unbeaten to get any notice. We lost 3 league games. We beat Iowa St on the road and X when they had Sumner a potential first round pick. It is conference related. Oh and when we were in the Big east we had a opportunity almost every night to get a quality win. Running the table in the ACC is not a reward it is a expectation if you want a 5 seed. SMU was one win short and got a 6 seed.
I agree, but if we don't play in the AAC we're also not 29-5. Go 29-5 in the ACC and you're a 1 seed, but we're certainly not that caliber of team. That's kind of the whole point of the SOS argument, most of those 29 wins don't count for crap because they're games against teams we should have beaten. Playing in the AAC kills our SOS so when we have the rare opportunities to win big games we have to win them if we ever want to sniff a 3 seed or higher. We don't have any really bad wins but we also don't have enough good wins.
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In a league like this, you have to schedule like gonzaga. But everyone says we can't, so we have to run the table and beat the teams we do schedule. This year we didn't. I love this team but in my opinion, We are still a couple players away. Caupain and Johnson weren't great this yearI see the logic in what your saying. We could have helped ourselves with winning against RI and playing Duke. Beating SMU and Butler as well. But the real issue is that our league other then SMU afforded us no opportunity to improve our SOS. Yea Gonzaga did but they had to be unbeaten to get any notice. We lost 3 league games. We beat Iowa St on the road and X when they had Sumner a potential first round pick. It is conference related. Oh and when we were in the Big east we had a opportunity almost every night to get a quality win. Running the table in the ACC is not a reward it is a expectation if you want a 5 seed. SMU was one win short and got a 6 seed.
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I agree playing in or league helped our overall record but it hinders us in other ways. Other then league members taking a big step forward we will always be playing with one hand tied behind our backs. I really don't know how you pay the bills and schedule better at the same time in this conference. Getting out of this crap league should be the No. 1 priority. Probably why UCONN is considering a move to the Big East.I agree, but if we don't play in the AAC we're also not 29-5. Go 29-5 in the ACC and you're a 1 seed, but we're certainly not that caliber of team. That's kind of the whole point of the SOS argument, most of those 29 wins don't count for crap because they're games against teams we should have beaten. Playing in the AAC kills our SOS so when we have the rare opportunities to win big games we have to win them if we ever want to sniff a 3 seed or higher. We don't have any really bad wins but we also don't have enough good wins.
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I know we didn't have a ton of top 50 wins(3) but I don't ever hear anyone talk about these higher seeded teams with bad losses.
Yea, 6 wins against top 50 programs is great, but what if you took 4 losses outside the top 50, 3 of those outside the top 100?
It seems if you are a lock for the tourney, seeding is based on rpi top 50 wins and conference affiliation, with no regard for bad losses.
Yea, 6 wins against top 50 programs is great, but what if you took 4 losses outside the top 50, 3 of those outside the top 100?
It seems if you are a lock for the tourney, seeding is based on rpi top 50 wins and conference affiliation, with no regard for bad losses.
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I know we didn't have a ton of top 50 wins(3) but I don't ever hear anyone talk about these higher seeded teams with bad losses.
Yea, 6 wins against top 50 programs is great, but what if you took 4 losses outside the top 50, 3 of those outside the top 100?
It seems if you are a lock for the tourney, seeding is based on rpi top 50 wins and conference affiliation, with no regard for bad losses.
People in NY are screaming that Syracuse didn't get in. Many thought they were lucky to get in last year.
