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I can see coming into this game way overconfisent and set on revenge instead of playing. I agree it has the making of an upset. There have been some things fall the nameless schools way this season. I also think their schedule is overrated to this point. One off night from outside they lose.

I think the schedule isn't as tough as it once looked, but I do think both Vandy and Purdue could see time in the top 25 this year. Maybe not Purdue, but they will be a solid club, at least top 50 RPI.
 
I think the schedule isn't as tough as it once looked, but I do think both Vandy and Purdue could see time in the top 25 this year. Maybe not Purdue, but they will be a solid club, at least top 50 RPI.

Vandy has been overrated from jump. Both games are good rpi games in the end. Doesn't change the fact that your school sucks no matter how good they are...lmao
 
Vandy has been overrated from jump. Both games are good rpi games in the end. Doesn't change the fact that your school sucks no matter how good they are...lmao

That may be true, but it doesn't help that they have a terrible, terrible coach. Maybe it won't end up being a good W.

Will we see the best game of Gates' college career, again? I don't think I have ever seen Gates play as well as he played against Xavier last year. Every fade away jump shot went in, I want him shooting those again this year. No way he makes those shots again.
 
That Wells kid reminds me of Shaq Thomas.
Makes me annoyed at the NCAA.
As for Gates, he was part of why we won, so was Dixon coming off the wing.
Yancy doesn't have to hit fadeaways, BTW I think he still has it in him to hit beautiful jumpshots, I think he just needs to be comfortable in doing it. We need Yancy to just own the inside and X's front court isn't that good.
My concern is the perimeter defense. Last year we put Bishop on Tu, I'm not sure who gets the call this year.
 
That Wells kid reminds me of Shaq Thomas.
Makes me annoyed at the NCAA
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As for Gates, he was part of why we won, so was Dixon coming off the wing.
Yancy doesn't have to hit fadeaways, BTW I think he still has it in him to hit beautiful jumpshots, I think he just needs to be comfortable in doing it. We need Yancy to just own the inside and X's front court isn't that good.
My concern is the perimeter defense. Last year we put Bishop on Tu, I'm not sure who gets the call this year.

They are both athletic and can jump out of the gym. I think thats where the comparison ends. Wells is much stronger and built for now. It is my opinion shaq has more room to grow and has more potential.
 
That Wells kid reminds me of Shaq Thomas.
Makes me annoyed at the NCAA.
As for Gates, he was part of why we won, so was Dixon coming off the wing.
Yancy doesn't have to hit fadeaways, BTW I think he still has it in him to hit beautiful jumpshots, I think he just needs to be comfortable in doing it. We need Yancy to just own the inside and X's front court isn't that good.
My concern is the perimeter defense. Last year we put Bishop on Tu, I'm not sure who gets the call this year.

We are going to see a mix of bigger guards on tu to wear him out. Dixon, wright and others will be assignef to him. I'm more worried about lyons.

Their inside guys have been non existent as of late.
 
Too many "ifs" with this team. I believe the adrenaline will see the Bearcats through but we will need Kirpatrick and Dixon to have another hot hand again for this to happen.
 
Let me start by saying that I am a Xavier fan, that does frequent reading this board. I enjoy the actual discussions about the game, and being the shootout week, I wanted to give you my personal take on what I have witnessed from Xavier this year for people that may not have watched them a whole lot.

Tu Holloway: Obviously he is the guy that will throw his team on his back whenever they need him to. He is a true product of his own hard work, and has willed himself to becoming an All-American type player. He only has an average jump shot, and imo is a bit slow footed. He does make up for this however with his ability to see the court and to create contact around the hoop. He's as tough nosed as it comes, and plays a very intelligent game for the most part.

Mark Lyons: Ultra quick, agressive, and boarderline out of control at times. He has a New York swagger about him, that won't allow him to back down at any point, this is a blessing and a curse at times. He will play very tough nosed defense, and will work hard off the ball as well as on it, but he does have a propencidy to pick up stupid fouls from time to time, which was a much bigger issue last season. His shot has developed to a respectable level, but his main game is getting the edge on the defender and going towards the basket. He will talk all game long, which I'm sure drives opponents nuts (it bothers some Xavier fans just as much)

Dezmine Wells: The first true freshman to start for Xavier from day one since Romain Sato in 2000. He's built very strong, and is always looking to punish the rim and any defender that's in his way when he starts getting a head of steam towards the hoop. He's a high energy guy, who has a nack for grabbing a rebound. As with any freshman, however, he does have an ability to dissappear in games. He does play tough defense for a freshman. His jumpshot is better than most expected, but really he isn't a threat to shoot unless he has a wide open look.

Andrea Walker: 5th year senior transfer from Vanderbilt. His numbers won't impress anyone, and in all honesty, after the game you'll probably forget his name, but he is another person that is vital to this team. He's a defensive stopper, who will just grind all game long. He has very little leaping ability, and has suffered injuries throughout his time at Vanderbilt, but he's a gamer, and is one of the guys that keeps people under control when things start to go south for Xavier.

Kenny Frease: He seems to still be an inigma for most Xavier fans. They either love him or hate him with very little basis as to why. He has the ability, but he doesn't always have the ability to display it. He has a decent touch from 15 feet in, and will shoot and make a high percentage from the baseline. His hands have gotten stronger as he has matured, but still struggles to find the handle at times. His length does tend to give defenses issues, and his foot speed has improved. He can still get himself in foul trouble however, and as a whole, he's one of the very few Xavier big men that haven't developed to the point that we, as a fanbase, are accustomed to seeing at this point in a career. You simply don't know what you're going to get with him.

Reserves:
Travis Taylor: High energy guy with a lot of spring in his step. He will play primarily the 4/5 position. He's one of those guys that you truly question how he ever scores, but he just does.

Justin Martin: Primarily splits time with Dez Wells, but is a completely different player than Wells. He's 6 7, and likes to play a finess game. He is a streaky shooter, but when he gets hot, he has an ability to get them in bunches.

Jeff Robinson: He will see maybe 2 or 3 minutes, and has never really hit his potential.

Dee Davis: Dee is an energy guy off the bench that will spell Holloway and Lyons. His minutes are increasing as the season goes along, and has been a big reason why Xavier has won the games they have, by giving those guys a breather so they are fresh when it matters most. He is a smaller guard, but will be tenacious when it comes to playing Defense. Has a good shot, but is a true point guard, in that he looks to pass first.

Brad Redford: Lights out shooter that's one demensional. really not a whole lot else to say about him other than he can bust any zone, but can be a liability at times on Defense.

This Xavier team is deep and good. They will play a tough packline Defense that is very aggressive when it comes to hedging picks. They're not a great three point team, but they do possess the ability to knock it down. This team does not have several superstars or anything like that, but they are all very solid in their particular focus. UC will need to control the tempo in my opinion in this game. Xavier has won games this year by wearing teams down, and then taking the game at the end because they are fresher than the opponent.

I expect this game to be a war, just like it is every year. I expect to get UC's best effort to date, and to have my nerves completely shot by the end just like every year as well. I'm really looking forward to Saturday, and seeing if Xavier can get past last season's loss and growing from it. GreatOne, the bets still on even if you're in class!
 
Let me start by saying that I am a Xavier fan, that does frequent reading this board. I enjoy the actual discussions about the game, and being the shootout week, I wanted to give you my personal take on what I have witnessed from Xavier this year for people that may not have watched them a whole lot.

Tu Holloway: Obviously he is the guy that will throw his team on his back whenever they need him to. He is a true product of his own hard work, and has willed himself to becoming an All-American type player. He only has an average jump shot, and imo is a bit slow footed. He does make up for this however with his ability to see the court and to create contact around the hoop. He's as tough nosed as it comes, and plays a very intelligent game for the most part.

Mark Lyons: Ultra quick, agressive, and boarderline out of control at times. He has a New York swagger about him, that won't allow him to back down at any point, this is a blessing and a curse at times. He will play very tough nosed defense, and will work hard off the ball as well as on it, but he does have a propencidy to pick up stupid fouls from time to time, which was a much bigger issue last season. His shot has developed to a respectable level, but his main game is getting the edge on the defender and going towards the basket. He will talk all game long, which I'm sure drives opponents nuts (it bothers some Xavier fans just as much)

Dezmine Wells: The first true freshman to start for Xavier from day one since Romain Sato in 2000. He's built very strong, and is always looking to punish the rim and any defender that's in his way when he starts getting a head of steam towards the hoop. He's a high energy guy, who has a nack for grabbing a rebound. As with any freshman, however, he does have an ability to dissappear in games. He does play tough defense for a freshman. His jumpshot is better than most expected, but really he isn't a threat to shoot unless he has a wide open look.

Andrea Walker: 5th year senior transfer from Vanderbilt. His numbers won't impress anyone, and in all honesty, after the game you'll probably forget his name, but he is another person that is vital to this team. He's a defensive stopper, who will just grind all game long. He has very little leaping ability, and has suffered injuries throughout his time at Vanderbilt, but he's a gamer, and is one of the guys that keeps people under control when things start to go south for Xavier.

Kenny Frease: He seems to still be an inigma for most Xavier fans. They either love him or hate him with very little basis as to why. He has the ability, but he doesn't always have the ability to display it. He has a decent touch from 15 feet in, and will shoot and make a high percentage from the baseline. His hands have gotten stronger as he has matured, but still struggles to find the handle at times. His length does tend to give defenses issues, and his foot speed has improved. He can still get himself in foul trouble however, and as a whole, he's one of the very few Xavier big men that haven't developed to the point that we, as a fanbase, are accustomed to seeing at this point in a career. You simply don't know what you're going to get with him.

Reserves:
Travis Taylor: High energy guy with a lot of spring in his step. He will play primarily the 4/5 position. He's one of those guys that you truly question how he ever scores, but he just does.

Justin Martin: Primarily splits time with Dez Wells, but is a completely different player than Wells. He's 6 7, and likes to play a finess game. He is a streaky shooter, but when he gets hot, he has an ability to get them in bunches.

Jeff Robinson: He will see maybe 2 or 3 minutes, and has never really hit his potential.

Dee Davis: Dee is an energy guy off the bench that will spell Holloway and Lyons. His minutes are increasing as the season goes along, and has been a big reason why Xavier has won the games they have, by giving those guys a breather so they are fresh when it matters most. He is a smaller guard, but will be tenacious when it comes to playing Defense. Has a good shot, but is a true point guard, in that he looks to pass first.

Brad Redford: Lights out shooter that's one demensional. really not a whole lot else to say about him other than he can bust any zone, but can be a liability at times on Defense.

This Xavier team is deep and good. They will play a tough packline Defense that is very aggressive when it comes to hedging picks. They're not a great three point team, but they do possess the ability to knock it down. This team does not have several superstars or anything like that, but they are all very solid in their particular focus. UC will need to control the tempo in my opinion in this game. Xavier has won games this year by wearing teams down, and then taking the game at the end because they are fresher than the opponent.

I expect this game to be a war, just like it is every year. I expect to get UC's best effort to date, and to have my nerves completely shot by the end just like every year as well. I'm really looking forward to Saturday, and seeing if Xavier can get past last season's loss and growing from it. GreatOne, the bets still on even if you're in class!


Great Post. Well written and informative. I really liked the information on the reserves because I haven't seen them all that much. I agree 100% on your point about tempo. UC can not let this become a game of transition baskets.

I may copy this post and use it on other boards for people who want a real feel for the game.

The best part might be your screen name HAHa

Post more this week....
 
They are both athletic and can jump out of the gym. I think thats where the comparison ends.
Their explosive athleticism was the comparison I was drawing. I know physically, they're different; but they bring essentially the same benefit to the table.
As for who's roof would be higher, I don't think I've seen enough of either to tell.
 
Their explosive athleticism was the comparison I was drawing. I know physically, they're different; but they bring essentially the same benefit to the table.
As for who's roof would be higher, I don't think I've seen enough of either to tell.

That is true. We really do not know. I am looking forward to seeing the freshman for X. Havent seen much of them this year which is unusual for me.
 
If this was UC of last year, I wouldnt be concerned about Tu at all. The problem though, is this year for some reason, every single team has had no issue attacking the rim off the dribble against our guards. Its like they no longer know how to play man to man defense anymore.

Despite the hype surrounding Tu due to some amazing finishes to games, his overall play has been subpar this year and I really think the book is out and available on how to stop him. Recall uc last year, Marq, and his last 4 games this year were flat out awful despite what Jimmy dykes and the highlight reel package on sportscenter may try to tell you. I dont recall specifically how uc guarded the ball screens last year, but he was really below average in that game.

I wouldnt be suprised if he sucks again for 35/40 minutes vs a mediocre Butler team bc Brad Stevens is a master gameplanner. Im sure he'll end up getting sucked off with media coverage bc he makes a couple big shots at the end of the game that realistically are awful shots and not in the flow of the offense. Hello, step back, off the dribble contested 3's are not good looks, even if hes ran hot on them at the end of games in a super small sample size. The one thing he does do at an elite level is get to the free throw line at an absurd rate. He attacks defenders hips coming off screens really well, and his ability to get his shoulder below their hip coming around the ball screen is really tough to defend without fouling. This is how he scores his points. This is why he gets to the FT line at such a sick rate. Sure he gets some calls that other guys dont, but hes one of the best at initiating contact and making the defender react and change their stance. There are a few ways to counter this, but i dont recall the exact way UC chose to defend their ball screens.

Also, Lyons has been way more efficient with the basketball, and maybe thats a product of getting to play off the ball more than tu, but his production has been better than Tus this year by a wide margin. He's really a nice well rounded player. So far this year hes been a lot better than dixon if were comparing by positions.

Now lelts Take a look at Tus #s in his last 4 games and someone explain to me how this is what a 1st team all america looks like and somehow won national player of the week one week. He pretty much Tebowd the Vandy and Purdue game (sucked 35 minutes, do well at the end).

Mia 9 pts on 3-12 shooting is so bad. At least he had 7 assists and 1 TO that game
Ga 12 pts on 2-4 shooting 4 assts, 2 TOs
Vandy 24 pts on 6-20 shooting 4 assts 1 TOs
Purdue 6 turnovers, 4 assists, 21 pts on 5-9 shooting

Guys, thats 16-45 shooting. 35.5% from the field. From a guy who should get into the paint at will and shoot a decent amount of layups. Guess what that means. He takes way too many tough shots and forces things a lot and probably isnt a very good shooter.

At the Purdue game he was better FG% wise, but its mostly bc he took fewer shots due to turning it over so much more often and not getting a chance to shoot. For reference, X had more turnovers in that first half against Purdue than Xavier had FG ATTEMPTS. I also watched that game (one of the ugliest, worst played games Ive seen all year that rivaled the GA/UC game in poor quality of play) and he couldve easily been charged with another 3-4 turnovers that were given to his teammates instead.


Whats scary about X this year has been their team rebounding, D, Tus ability to get to the FT line, and the teams overall physical aggressive play. There is no denying they are a good solid overall team and frankly right now they are better than UC. However, I think anyone that really believes X is a top 10 team at the moment is kidding themselves and sorry but Tu isnt even among the top 20 players in the country. Theres a reason he wasnt getting drafted in the first rd and wont after his senior year. His shot is below av, hes not tall for his position, and hes not an elite athlete with high end NBA level quickness (yes thats nitpicking and Id still love to have had him on my team for his college career). X is currently 26 in the kpom efficiency rankings, which has UC 46 or 47th. Overall X guards pretty well and hits the glass hard from every position and the bench has contributed solidly.

This whole game comes down to whether or not UC can guard Tu without fouling, and thats not just on cash, dixon and guyn. A lot of that is going to come down to the bigs Justin jackson, Mbodj, and Gates and whether Cronin decides to have them aggressively double team/trap the high ball screen and rotate or whether we hedge/recover and play defense. This is what terrifies me bc Jackson already has problems with fouling too much, being overaggressive and so forth and with the emotion that will be in the building and for that game I think hes gonna have a hard time not fouling a bunch on ball screens and getting X in the bonus and Tu at the line for easy points.
 
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A lot to say about your post above--First, while Tu looks to be struggling, he is trying to get his teammates more involved in the first half and then takes over in the second. (Mack sat down with him this week and told him he has to be more aggressive in the first half).

Also, I don't care what his numbers looked like- he scored 10 points in OT against Vandy, and he had 11 points in the last 90 seconds against Purdue. Take a second and think about that... that screams All American. The ability to take over a game when the team needs you the most is huge. Agreed? He didn't get those shots in the flow of the offense, maybe, but really when you are down 7 with 1:50 left you don't have time to get a flow of the offense.

I don't think the game comes down to guarding Tu, Lyons is very capable of winning a game by himself. I think UC will have to out rebound Xavier (tough thing to do- but last years UC team attacked the boards very well. Have not watched them this year) and I also think you need to give the ball to Gates as much as possible. He should have all the confidence in the world against Xavier after last year
 
I'm not sure why UC fans are sold on saying Tu is not a good player, and that he can't shoot. He is shooting 50 percent from 3 this year.

It's interesting to see how many people have said Tu hasn't been good this year, yet he's averaging 18 points a game, 5 assists a game, 2 steals a game and 3.6 rebounds a game. If that's Tu when he's not good, you guys must respect the hell out of him.
 
The guard matchups remain relatively the same as last year. Cash guarded Tu last year and probably will again this year. Dixon and Davis guarded Lyons last year and Guyn will probably replace Davis' role. SK will be on Wells which should be good since SK won't have to worry too much about Wells' scoring.
 
The guard matchups remain relatively the same as last year. Cash guarded Tu last year and probably will again this year. Dixon and Davis guarded Lyons last year and Guyn will probably replace Davis' role. SK will be on Wells which should be good since SK won't have to worry too much about Wells' scoring.

That's true. While Wells had a few good games to start the year, he has been relatively quiet against better competition. Don't be surprised to see more of Martin than Wells.
 
The guard matchups remain relatively the same as last year. Cash guarded Tu last year and probably will again this year. Dixon and Davis guarded Lyons last year and Guyn will probably replace Davis' role. SK will be on Wells which should be good since SK won't have to worry too much about Wells' scoring.

No doubt, Wells has been seeing a little more bench time because of his defense. I fully expect to see Martin on SK as much or more then Wells. (Martin is 6'7 Frosh wing/sg who can shoot well). Surprisingly, Martin has played well on defense.
 
I'm not sure why UC fans are sold on saying Tu is not a good player, and that he can't shoot. He is shooting 50 percent from 3 this year.

It's interesting to see how many people have said Tu hasn't been good this year, yet he's averaging 18 points a game, 5 assists a game, 2 steals a game and 3.6 rebounds a game. If that's Tu when he's not good, you guys must respect the hell out of him.

I never said he wasnt a good player. I said hes not a player of the year player and has sucked in his last 4 games for the majority of the game.

Also, sick sample size on 8/16 from 3.
 
I'm not sure why UC fans are sold on saying Tu is not a good player, and that he can't shoot. He is shooting 50 percent from 3 this year.

It's interesting to see how many people have said Tu hasn't been good this year, yet he's averaging 18 points a game, 5 assists a game, 2 steals a game and 3.6 rebounds a game. If that's Tu when he's not good, you guys must respect the hell out of him.

I am not in that boat. I am not sure who honestly believes.
 
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