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I think that this was very evident against Marquette. Sr's DJO and Crowder really turned it up and our seniors had no answer. Dixon had 0 boards and Yancy has yet to show a sense of urgency his whole Sr. year.

Dion and Cash are like a box of chocolate. You never know what you're gonna get. How long does it take for Dion to learn his game is inside the arc? Lazy passes as seniors? Totally unacceptable. Their defensive effort on the perimeter is even worse. The difference in this team and last years is simple. The seniors are leading and they aren't leading by example. They turn it off and on and when you think they will be motivated they aren't.
 
People come on here and bitch about no senior leadership

Here is the bottom line. As bad as you want to, you cannot change a person. You cannot change who you are. These guys were not leaders in highschool, nor can you expect them to just turn a switch and be one.

A coaches job, esp one who gets to choose his players is to put together a TEAM. You need a shooter, you need a ball handler, you need a leader, you need a big man, you need a defender....or whatever it is that Mick is trying to do, you need to go get. Dont just put together a group of guys and turn them into something they are not.
 
SK has leadership qualities and needs to use them. I think Cashmere also has abilities to lead.
 
Good point Ready2Go! IMO I think Mick realized that and the freshmen class and the recruits seem to have those qualities!
 
One massive quality that I feel is overlooked is Dixon's ability to hit clutch free throws. I forget which game it was that he went 6 for 6 I believe in the final minute of a close game to give us the win. He may struggle in a lot of leadership aspects, but I love having a guy that can step calmly to the line in the clutch
 
One massive quality that I feel is overlooked is Dixon's ability to hit clutch free throws. I forget which game it was that he went 6 for 6 I believe in the final minute of a close game to give us the win. He may struggle in a lot of leadership aspects, but I love having a guy that can step calmly to the line in the clutch

He has been pretty clutch from the FT line (though was it the WVU or UConn game where he missed a crucial FT). I just wish he was clutch from the field.
 
A lot of talk about senior leadership right now in this thread. Let me propose this question, when have we ever had senior leadership on a team coached by Mick?

When DVaughn was a senior the rap was that he tried to do too much, to take too much control over the game. When he left the comments from many, including Mick, were that we would be a better team because the offense would flow better without Vaughn in it.

Last year we made the tourney, but you can't say the difference between last year's team and this year's team was senior leadership. Our best senior from last season was a guy who nearly got kicked off the team and couldn't even play for us during the Big East tourney because he tried to stage a mutiny over Mick and his staff. Outside of him you had Larry David (worst player in recent UC memory), Darnell Wilks (role player at best), and Biggie McClain (big guy, not a basketball player).

This year we have no leadership again according to everyone's latest posts. Does anyone see any senior leaders on this roster for next year's team? Can Killa be a leader when he's a senior or will he be the next DVaughn?

If no one steps up on a team for a year then you start to wonder about the players on the team, why aren't they leading? If no one steps up and leads for 6 years in a row it makes you start to wonder about the coach, at least it makes me wonder.

Every year around this time it's the same old discussions, can Mick ever get us to the point when people don't have to point fingers or argue about our SOS or worry about if we'll even make the tourney?? As a fan I'd rather be worried about what seed we're going to get, if we'll have a chance to win the league, how our freshmen are developing, ect ect ect.

This is all getting very, very old.........
 
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There hasn't been senior leadership under Mick because he started with nothing. The current seniors learned from, that's right, nobody. Players learn about this kind of stuff from the upperclassman, when there aren't upperclassman to learn this stuff from it will be an ongoing cycle. Right now they cycle needs to be broken by next years upperclassman (Cash, SK, JJ, Parker).

KMart, Hicks, Maxiell, etc all had upperclassman to learn from. Gates never did. It makes a big difference.
 
Can you read? Obviously not.

My post has nothing to do with a loss to the number 19 team in the country.

We have lost 4 of 6. With 6 remaining games.

Last year we went 6-4 down the stretch. Not terrible. Not Great.

The year before that we ended the season 3-7 (this should have been a very good team)

The year before that we ended the season 4-6

Claim Im a Mick hater. Im not, hes got my full support. But im tired of being inconsistent.

Mick has done wonders for this program... But can he bring us to being an elite team? Ill accept nothing less.

I see what your point is...but I don't think we need to start at 10 games out to see where the rubber meets the road. The last 6 games of those regular seasons are all you need to look at. I think 4 of the last 5 years or so have been roughly 1-5 and last year was 5-1. If we go 5-1 or even 4-2 we are probably in. Anything less and we need to win the BE tourney.

6-4 last year may not have been great...but 5-1 was pretty great IMO. 1-5 is horrible. What result will we see this year? Who knows. If we make the dance I will be content...if not I will be dissapointed to say the least. If we don't I will expect to next year...and if we don't then...I think this ship will have run it's course and it's time to try another captain.

There is a lot of BB left this year though. It's too early for doom and gloom (not that you are one of those).
 
There hasn't been senior leadership under Mick because he started with nothing. The current seniors learned from, that's right, nobody. Players learn about this kind of stuff from the upperclassman, when there aren't upperclassman to learn this stuff from it will be an ongoing cycle. Right now they cycle needs to be broken by next years upperclassman (Cash, SK, JJ, Parker).

KMart, Hicks, Maxiell, etc all had upperclassman to learn from. Gates never did. It makes a big difference.

That's one way to look at it and I'm sure there is some truth to that statement. But it's not like this is UC's first senior class under Mick. It's their 3rd...and their 4th and 5th don't look too promising right now either.

KMart, Hicks, Maxiell, ect also learned how to play from a coaching staff that was capable of developing them into the players they became. To this point we haven't seen much ability to develop players year over year. In some cases it can be stated that players have actually declined over time.

Leadership is a quality that is inherent in people. The skill can also be cultivated and the right environment and guidance can allow leaders to flourish. Is this current staff providing that guidance and environment?

These are all reasonable questions to be asking at this point. I know some of you will defend everything that Mick does and blame this team's problems on everything but him but my school of thought is that if it's not working you've got to look at the guy pulling the strings first.
 
Why are people still arguing with BearcatMick/Ralphie. Just leads to bad things.
its just a friendly discussion who's arguing?
Your email signature speaks for itself. Don't you ever get tired of the same old act? There are some people on this site who enjoy having a sprited debate about what they think is best for UC hoops, why do you and Ralph (same person) always have to ruin this place for everyone else?

Is it my signature or mick cronins coaching ability that speaks for itself? Clearly, in terms of coaching ability and potential, Mick deserves to be in that class mentioned below in my signature. If he were at a school like uk or unc, hed be mentioned all the time in the same breath as those coaches. The fact that he chose to coach a program on its death bed and brought it back to life pseaks volumes to his coaching ability and character. The victories will come soon and you will see
 
There hasn't been senior leadership under Mick because he started with nothing. The current seniors learned from, that's right, nobody. Players learn about this kind of stuff from the upperclassman, when there aren't upperclassman to learn this stuff from it will be an ongoing cycle. Right now they cycle needs to be broken by next years upperclassman (Cash, SK, JJ, Parker).

KMart, Hicks, Maxiell, etc all had upperclassman to learn from. Gates never did. It makes a big difference.

This may be true, but it still takes the right person to be a leader. If there was a leader on this team, he would have shown himself by now. Thats why some freshman and underclassman on teams become leaders, they understand when someone needs to step up. Its a quality that not all posses
 
Dixon on him and Gates: “We let a lot of games slip away from us that we know we could have won,” Dixon said. “Maybe it’s leadership that needs to come from us. We can’t let it keep happening with our careers going down. This is it right here. It’s do or die right now.”
 
its just a friendly discussion who's arguing?


Is it my signature or mick cronins coaching ability that speaks for itself? Clearly, in terms of coaching ability and potential, Mick deserves to be in that class mentioned below in my signature. If he were at a school like uk or unc, hed be mentioned all the time in the same breath as those coaches. The fact that he chose to coach a program on its death bed and brought it back to life pseaks volumes to his coaching ability and character. The victories will come soon and you will see

I consider myself a strong Mick supporter, but when I read your posts I question my convictions.
 
This may be true, but it still takes the right person to be a leader. If there was a leader on this team, he would have shown himself by now. Thats why some freshman and underclassman on teams become leaders, they understand when someone needs to step up. Its a quality that not all posses

of course it takes the right person to be a leader, but saying that a freshman or sophomore should overtake the veterans and become the leader just isn't reality. Martin, Hicks, Maxiell, Fletcher, Brannon, etc, those guys weren't leaders their freshman and sophomore years. Hicks left the team as a freshman.
 
what about Jackson becoming a leader?...his energy and efforts can be contagious at times and his passion is obvious...i have not been able to get a good enough read on if he possesses any leadership tendencies from the television or in the upper deck...interested to hear what others think…
Go Bearcats!
 
of course it takes the right person to be a leader, but saying that a freshman or sophomore should overtake the veterans and become the leader just isn't reality. Martin, Hicks, Maxiell, Fletcher, Brannon, etc, those guys weren't leaders their freshman and sophomore years. Hicks left the team as a freshman.

Andy Dalton became the Bengals leader his rookie season, something Carson Palmer did not do in his 8 Bengal seasons. Leadership is not something you can tell a person to do, you are either born with it or with out it.
 


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