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Who will win the Crosstown Shootout?

  • UC

    Votes: 33 75.0%

  • XU

    Votes: 11 25.0%
  • Total voters
    44
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
Exactly!!!Cane is much better creating for himself then he is for others.
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It has been said before that your best player is often your best assist guy as well. When you create for yourself you are going to create some opportunities for others by default.

I would agree with you that he is not going to be best at running half court sets and simply being a facilitator...handing it off to other teammates to let them do their thing. He needs to get the defense moving around and find open guys or create shots for himself. At this point I do not think that is a bad thing.
 
waterhead said:
It has been said before that your best player is often your best assist guy as well. When you create for yourself you are going to create some opportunities for others by default.

I would agree with you that he is not going to be best at running half court sets and simply being a facilitator...handing it off to other teammates to let them do their thing. He needs to get the defense moving around and find open guys or create shots for himself. At this point I do not think that is a bad thing.
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This is just an analogy. I am not saying he is our best player. But it works the same for everyone. If you are good at creating shots...you can be a pretty good assist guy as well. Clark does very well for himself too...he knows when there should be an open man based on double teams etc.
 
I love that the Skinny Podcast and this thread are full of so many Hot Takes Because of a Loss on the road in a hostile environment.


Sean Omara sucked in shootout and then proceeded to help Xavier beat Arizona in the sweet 16

Xavier sucked ass in every big game of the year including getting its assed kicked in the shootout (we missed 19 free throws, we should have dominated them by 20+) and yet made a Elite 8 run



It is 1 game in which we looked absolutely horrible for most of the game.


The reality is:
Jacob Evans is still an great player
Cumberland is unstoppable when he is hot
We have Gary Clark and most teams don't
Kyle Washington will win us some games this year, even if he sucked last night
Cane Broome put up 16 points and 5 assists in his first shootout ever
Nsesome showed that he can defend and block shots at an elite level



We need to beat Florida and we still can. They lost to Duke because they had no answer for their interior players. We have an advantage at that spot.
 
waterhead said:
It has been said before that your best player is often your best assist guy as well. When you create for yourself you are going to create some opportunities for others by default.

I would agree with you that he is not going to be best at running half court sets and simply being a facilitator...handing it off to other teammates to let them do their thing. He needs to get the defense moving around and find open guys or create shots for himself. At this point I do not think that is a bad thing.
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You also have to factor in confidence. There are only a couple players who can get a shot off when they want to...and the other problem is DO THEY WANT TO? Cane was out there looking like a guy who thought he could effect the game in a big way. Some players would rather NOT be the goat MORE than they would rather be the hero.

I saw Cane miss the front end of 2 FT's. I could have sworn I was reading his lips saying to his team "I got this next one...and we are going to do this". I could be wrong but that was what I took from the situation. He made the next one...but we did not complete the comeback. But I like that attitude a lot in a player!! Unfortunately I think EGGS has had a few more players who have had that attitude over the years.
 
One other thing I will say is about coaching in big games or just in general. You have some Motivators out there and you have some guys who coach more like they are in the military.

I saw one timeout when Mack was motivating in the huddle and a lot of times (if not most) we see Cronin spend time telling players what they are doing wrong or even yelling.

I think the players need a few pats on the back or words of encouragement from time to time and not a constant barrage of yelling.

"Hey we can do this!", you can say that every once in a while...lol!


You can obviously get decent results from either style...but maybe a better approach would be a hybrid of the two. IDK
 
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Mick has never coached well in big games. He seems to panic and over-think stuff and then his substitutions just get goofy. Mack has his number. I too saw some of Mack's timeout huddles and they were awesome, highly motivational and fiery, and his team played with a passion and the kind of fire that it takes to win a game like this. We were never in this game, looked confused and disorganized, and even scared at times.

Bottom line, if we win Saturday, this game becomes virtually meaningless. However, this is easier said than done. The Jenifer experiment should be over. Play your best players and have them ready to play. I would hate to lay another egg on Saturday and then be faced with turning things around at Pauley Pavilion. Saturday is a must win in my opinion!
 
waterhead said:
One other thing I will say is about coaching in big games or just in general. You have some Motivators out there and you have some guys who coach more like they are in the military.

I saw one timeout when Mack was motivating in the huddle and a lot of times (if not most) we see Cronin spend time telling players what they are doing wrong or even yelling.

I think the players need a few pats on the back or words of encouragement from time to time and not a constant barrage of yelling.

"Hey we can do this!", you can say that every once in a while...lol!


You can obviously get decent results from either style...but maybe a better approach would be a hybrid of the two. IDK
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i would think the more laid back style might be the "better" way these days. the world in general is a different place than it was 20 years ago, screaming and yelling in general is viewed completely different now.


i have to admire a laid back guy like mike brey. mistakes happen, these guys aren't robots, brey just rolls with it and says get em next time.
 
RDCat said:
Mick has never coached well in big games. He seems to panic and over-think stuff and then his substitutions just get goofy. Mack has his number.
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im just not willing to go this far. they have won games against better opponents multiple times. but there are teams that have styles that eat us up, xavier happens to be one of them. the spread you out with shooters and guys that can drive style of offense destroys the type of defense we try to play. louisville was always better than notre dame when we were in the BE, but we played louisville much tougher every time than we did ND. its a match up thing, xavier just happens to be a really bad one for us.
 
cincrulz11 said:
im just not willing to go this far. they have won games against better opponents multiple times. but there are teams that have styles that eat us up, xavier happens to be one of them. the spread you out with shooters and guys that can drive style of offense destroys the type of defense we try to play. louisville was always better than notre dame when we were in the BE, but we played louisville much tougher every time than we did ND. its a match up thing, xavier just happens to be a really bad one for us.
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Just look at our postseason tourney and the NCAA tourney history under Mick. When he does finally schedule decent teams in-season, his performance isn't all that good either. Again, it's just a general observation, we spend the bulk of our schedule playing patsies and playing one style, then try to play good teams with a different style and substitution pattern. Add to that, all the whining and blaming the refs and getting into fights with opposing players, etc. His recruiting is improving, but other aspects are still woefully lacking. And yes, I know....30 wins last year, great team this year, 7 straight NCAAs. Still, something is missing in my opinion!
 
RDCat said:
Just look at our postseason tourney and the NCAA tourney history under Mick.
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we have been quiet unfortunate to draw teams that going into the game were very bad match ups for us a number of years in a row.


im also not buying the styles and substitution pattern stuff. we have always been a slow it down team against anybody that doesn't allow you to run up and down the court all game. that is micks style, he was like that at murray state too.
 
Bearcats1232002 said:
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...lasts-xavier-basketball-chris-mack/874080001/


I don't know if this has been mentioned but it was only a couple of weeks ago that pro golfer Steve Stricker lambasted X and Mack after their game at the Kohl Center. It is not just UC that has a problem with X's antics. It seems like they don't know how to be humble in victory but instead turn into cocky, mouthy, A**holes.
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These stories will follow them around all year. That's how they've decided to be. Teams are going to stop scheduling them. And it's their own fault.
 
Bearcats1232002 said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned but it was only a couple of weeks ago that pro golfer Steve Stricker lambasted X and Mack after their game at the Kohl Center. It is not just UC that has a problem with X's antics. It seems like they don't know how to be humble in victory but instead turn into cocky, mouthy, A**holes.
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its been discussed. xavier frequently acts like this. the amount of in game scuffles and double technicals they draw are much higher than any other team i watch.


but hey they get away with it so whats the harm i guess.
 
If you're good...

If you're really good, it shouldn't matter! Matchups play a part, I agree. But if you are really good, and well coached, you are able to adjust. From what I have seen thru the Huggins/Cronin era is that UC has as good as, or better, athletes than most teams, but overall basketball talent and shooting lack. Oh yes, they have had some good shooters, but only one on a team. They don't recruit shooters, they recruit athletes who can jump and dunk. The name of the game is putting the ball in the basket--Xavier can--UC not so much!!
 

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