2016 General Recruiting

[TNBearcat3]

Back on topic though fellas, who do you think we get from this class?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Back on topic though fellas, who do you think we get from this class?

With 6 scholarships, I predict 3 juco/diamond in the rough/redshirt candidate HS kids, and 1 Top 125ish player.

We may be heading towards the 2016-2017 rebuild that I've been dreading. Only 4 upperclassmen that year as of now (TC, KJ, Clark, Moore). We HAVE to land a major impact freshman in the 2016 class. We all saw the quote from Heron, so we need to legitimately change our approach if he is one of the highly rated guys we actually think we have a shot at. And if we're serious about that, we might as well put the full court press on CJ Walker too. He has said similar things.

 

[Mcginnjw]

2016 is going to be a major year for recruiting and we haven't started out strong. We can definitely promise a major Center immediate playing time.

 

[TrillCosby]

Why does every post on every thread have to go down this path? This is a thread on 2016 recruiting and not the status of the program.

It's directly related to 2016 recruiting. I did not post it on an individual prospects thread. People can try to ignore all the issues at hand, but they will continually pop up when UC is in deep with a recruit. Mick says get, not recruit because he as well is a realist to current situation regarding the program. I'm not trying to derail threads because I thought it was the proper place to post it.

Anyway, I still think they grab at least 1 more commit in '15 and will have 5 schollys for '16. I'm predicting:

HS C
Juco F/C
HS Forward
Wing
Combo Guard

 

[GuyfromNKY]

With 6 scholarships, I predict 3 juco/diamond in the rough/redshirt candidate HS kids, and 1 Top 125ish player.

We may be heading towards the 2016-2017 rebuild that I've been dreading. Only 4 upperclassmen that year as of now (TC, KJ, Clark, Moore). We HAVE to land a major impact freshman in the 2016 class. We all saw the quote from Heron, so we need to legitimately change our approach if he is one of the highly rated guys we actually think we have a shot at. And if we're serious about that, we might as well put the full court press on CJ Walker too. He has said similar things.

What was Heron's quote?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

What was Heron's quote?

http://zagsblog.com/articles/mustapha-heron-hearing-from-four-schools-the-most/

"I’d also go to a program that really fits how I play: lots of man-to-man and an uptempo style.”

“I’ll be looking at how the coaches develop the players and the coaching staff that they have.”

About Chris Mullin:
"He could definitely take my game to the next level."

From the article:
For example, he noted that UCLA and St. John’s recruiting process seems to have many parallels and that UConn’s Ollie would also be a player’s coach and has played in the NBA.

^Doesn't sound like he'd be on board with coming off the bench as a freshman and working his way into a zone defense with possessions per games in the 300s.

 

[Bulldog01]

Unfortunately UC has many things going against them. They are fighting against schools in better conferences and with much higher recruiting budgets. On top of that we have a severely outdated 5/3 arena and locker rooms. Unfortunately they only really have one good recruiter outside of Mick and that's Larry Davis. Savino and Jackson haven't proven to be great and aren't able to sell our program as well as a young charismatic assistant coach would likely be able to. I love Mick's loyalty to his coaches, but sometimes I wish he had Tubs philosophy on coaches and recruiting.

Before Larry Davis took over team you didn't even know he was on our staff let alone best recruiter. Savino has had title of our best recruiter. No coincidence that the players he recruited heavily on team the ones got most playing time.

 

[Bulldog01]

http://zagsblog.com/articles/mustapha-heron-hearing-from-four-schools-the-most/

"I’d also go to a program that really fits how I play: lots of man-to-man and an uptempo style.”

“I’ll be looking at how the coaches develop the players and the coaching staff that they have.”

About Chris Mullin:
"He could definitely take my game to the next level."

From the article:
For example, he noted that UCLA and St. John’s recruiting process seems to have many parallels and that UConn’s Ollie would also be a player’s coach and has played in the NBA.

^Doesn't sound like he'd be on board with coming off the bench as a freshman and working his way into a zone defense with possessions per games in the 300s.

I got laughed out gym when I said players want to play for certain type of baller coaches.

 

[GuyfromNKY]

http://zagsblog.com/articles/mustapha-heron-hearing-from-four-schools-the-most/

"I’d also go to a program that really fits how I play: lots of man-to-man and an uptempo style.”

“I’ll be looking at how the coaches develop the players and the coaching staff that they have.”

About Chris Mullin:
"He could definitely take my game to the next level."

From the article:
For example, he noted that UCLA and St. John’s recruiting process seems to have many parallels and that UConn’s Ollie would also be a player’s coach and has played in the NBA.

^Doesn't sound like he'd be on board with coming off the bench as a freshman and working his way into a zone defense with possessions per games in the 300s.

Ok thanks. A big year next year will show a lot to incoming recruits. Next year is very important. We need to get over the hump.

 

[TrillCosby]

Before Larry Davis took over team you didn't even know he was on our staff let alone best recruiter. Savino has had title of our best recruiter. No coincidence that the players he recruited heavily on team the ones got most playing time.

You couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Bulldog01]

You couldn't be more wrong.

Could be. Savino was supposed to be our money recruiter though.just do quick Google search and recruiting comes up first thing in savino bio.

 

[Bcatfollower]

Ok thanks. A big year next year will show a lot to incoming recruits. Next year is very important. We need to get over the hump.

People say this every year.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Ok thanks. A big year next year will show a lot to incoming recruits. Next year is very important. We need to get over the hump.

No it won't.

 

[bearcat jeff]

UC lost its best recruiter to Oregon.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Cincinnati needs consecutive deep runs in the NCAA. I respect the heck out of Mick as an X and O guy and believe he will always have competitive teams but it is obvious he needs a closer on the staff or the edge that deep tournament runs can give you. Show a player you will win championships (league, CT, NCAA, non conf tournys )consistently and get them noticed and they will come play for you.

 

[Bearcat22]

Cincinnati needs consecutive deep runs in the NCAA. I respect the heck out of Mick as an X and O guy and believe he will always have competitive teams but it is obvious he needs a closer on the staff or the edge that deep tournament runs can give you. Show a player you will win championships (league, CT, NCAA, non conf tournys )consistently and get them noticed and they will come play for you.

I think some deep tournament runs would help revive our fanbase but I'm not as sure about recruiting. Exposure on ESPN and getting players to the NBA is probably more of a motivating factor in a college choice.

At one time, Mick said he wants his assistants to be coaches first then recruiters (I'll try to find the article or link). If that's his philosophy, the results we're getting shouldn't be a surprise. We'll get the occasional gym rat that turns himself into a a great player (SK and hopefully Clark). More times then not we'll get good, gritty players that will grind out victories but not get the Cats to a final four or hear their name called during the NBA draft.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Not asking Mick to be Calipari but I question if we can even consistently land the recruits necessary to make ANY type of tournament run. Think about Louisville they had 2 pro's on their roster Terry Rozier and Montrezl Harrell. Rozier was ranked #80 in his class and Harrell was ranked #82. These weren't Mickey D's All-Americans yet both left early and will be drafted in a month. Something Mick is doing isn't working if we are interested in taking the next step as a program. The recruiting is really the only thing I can point to.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Not asking Mick to be Calipari but I question if we can even consistently land the recruits necessary to make ANY type of tournament run. Think about Louisville they had 2 pro's on their roster Terry Rozier and Montrezl Harrell. Rozier was ranked #80 in his class and Harrell was ranked #82. These weren't Mickey D's All-Americans yet both left early and will be drafted in a month. Something Mick is doing isn't working if we are interested in taking the next step as a program. The recruiting is really the only thing I can point to.

Can't disagree

 

[jacobkdoyle]

It was really just an observation, we seem to be way out in front in offering NYC/NYJ recruits before they really blow up but always seem behind on Ohio recruits. I guess the staff doesn't have good connections to coaches in Ohio? I don't think Mick has signed a high school kid from the state of Ohio (Im referring to outside of Cincinnati) in his 9 years. Just kind of odd.

I don't get this either. Everyone once in a while we go after the home run kids in-state, but there is no built-in advantage for us. Like I still don't get why we haven't had any connection with Jalen Tate. His brother wasn't that highly recruited, but goes right in and has a good freshman year at Ohio State. And doesn't Jalen play on the best AAU team in the state? We never use all of our scholarships anyway, so why not look into someone like this? He has Bearcat pedigree. Maybe he's not that physically strong yet, but you can't tell me he wouldn't be a Jermaine Sanders (or one of a million others guys we've had) at worst by the time he's 22. And it'd be an in-state kid keeping the pipeline open. The guys like Huggins, Matta, and Izzo understand this. They put in the work in Ohio all the time, then we come rolling in once every few years for the Nick Ward guys, but we're already far behind. I mean, if we're bringing in guys like Jordan Caroline to visit, and we're offering 2016 kids who are being looked at in the lowest levels of D-1, why not at least give him a look? Kent State has offered him, and Ohio State and Iowa have interest. Just seems like with 6 scholarships, and a coach who couldn't fly all season, we'd try to put in some kind of effort. You never know where the next in-state stars are going to come from, might as well develop the relationships imo.

 

[#BearcatNation]

Uhhhh, where'd my post go? Was that really too personal towards NTS? I just wanted an explanation why he believed that, to which it appears he responded to without any issue. Now the thread just looks silly.

Jacob, if you'd like, DM me as to why you deleted that, because I think that was a little soft, to be completely honest.