2016 General Recruiting

[justinhub2003]

Any opinions on what we should do with remaining Schooly's? If we can find some depth on the wing and a Back up big Transfer I'd be happy. Really don't think we will get much high end interest because of the amount of PT we can guarantee. The curse of having a good starting returning line up is that without immediate playing time it is very difficult to recruit.

TC PG
KJ/Cumberland SG
Evans SF
Washington C
Clark PF

Doesn't leave many minutes.

Especially considering that 4 of the 6 have 2 or more years of eligibility left. Selling a guy on back up minutes will not be easy.

Even harder of a sell that we have Cane Broome coming in to replace Troy after this season and that Cumberland will have 3 years left after Johnson leaves.

Our starting lineup is set for the next two seasons it seems.


Unless we snag a very good recruit, Im not sure how a freshman could steal minutes away from our established players.

 

[culverrd]

It's hard to recruit kids that are any good, that know they will be coming off the bench

Yeah you guys are right since we are so deep as a team and going so deep in the tournament and winning all these championships. Why even recruit good kids anymore its not like they will get playing time SMH...Obvious sarcasm. ALL HIGH MAJOR TEAMS get good players to come to their school even with stacked rosters. Why?? Bc people want to be a part of winning programs and want to compete and play with the best talent in the country. Great players don't worry about minutes bc they believe in their heads that they are better than anyone they are going to go up against. Why does KY and Duke and UNC and all these other teams get numerous top 25 players every single year if they are already stacked how will they all get minutes....somehow they manage? Its straight comedy that all of you guys think its hard to get these kids to come in here. If they are worried about getting playing time we DON'T need to even waste our time considering a kid like that. Bc point blank that shows me they are soft and think they should be given PT and they sure as heck don't have what it takes to take this program to where it needs to be and should be. Swear so many Bearcat fans are okay with mediocrity and all these comments confirm it.

End rant.

 

[coachpipe]

Yeah you guys are right since we are so deep as a team and going so deep in the tournament and winning all these championships. Why even recruit good kids anymore its not like they will get playing time SMH...Obvious sarcasm. ALL HIGH MAJOR TEAMS get good players to come to their school even with stacked rosters. Why?? Bc people want to be a part of winning programs and want to compete and play with the best talent in the country. Great players don't worry about minutes bc they believe in their heads that they are better than anyone they are going to go up against. Why does KY and Duke and UNC and all these other teams get numerous top 25 players every single year if they are already stacked how will they all get minutes....somehow they manage? Its straight comedy that all of you guys think its hard to get these kids to come in here. If they are worried about getting playing time we DON'T need to even waste our time considering a kid like that. Bc point blank that shows me they are soft and think they should be given PT and they sure as heck don't have what it takes to take this program to where it needs to be and should be. Swear so many Bearcat fans are okay with mediocrity and all these comments confirm it.

End rant.

no one has said UC isnt recruiting those guys. You look, you ask, if there is mutual interest you proceed. If there isnt mutual interest, why waste your time on someone who doesnt want to come here?

You are acting like the staff looks at good players and doesnt even see if there is interest. Heck, the majority of these top high major recruits have an idea of where they want to be before they even touch the high school court. We arent following Mick and Larry around to know who exactly they are looking at during events. We are a message board full of opinions on the outside of what we think is going on on the inside. When in reality, we have no idea who they have asked about unless it hits twitter

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Yeah you guys are right since we are so deep as a team and going so deep in the tournament and winning all these championships. Why even recruit good kids anymore its not like they will get playing time SMH...Obvious sarcasm. ALL HIGH MAJOR TEAMS get good players to come to their school even with stacked rosters. Why?? Bc people want to be a part of winning programs and want to compete and play with the best talent in the country. Great players don't worry about minutes bc they believe in their heads that they are better than anyone they are going to go up against. Why does KY and Duke and UNC and all these other teams get numerous top 25 players every single year if they are already stacked how will they all get minutes....somehow they manage? Its straight comedy that all of you guys think its hard to get these kids to come in here. If they are worried about getting playing time we DON'T need to even waste our time considering a kid like that. Bc point blank that shows me they are soft and think they should be given PT and they sure as heck don't have what it takes to take this program to where it needs to be and should be. Swear so many Bearcat fans are okay with mediocrity and all these comments confirm it.

End rant.

if you don't think good players are concerned with minutes your delusional. KY ,Duke and UNC get good players because they have lots of 1 year turn over and are the blue bloods of the sport. We are not that type of program and frankly I don't know that we ever will or can be. Every year a kid who is a NBA player stays in school is lost revenue. Would I like to be able to recruit against the likes of the elite? You bet I would. It will not happen here anytime in near future. Can we do better? Absolutely! In my opinion Evans,Clark and hopefully Cumberland represent a trend in that direction. Our roster over the next two years can be very good. A little bench help and we could make some noise instead of just qualifying. We are a team that can be a top 25 team yearly. We are not a team that can attract a roster of 1 and done players that compete for National titles yearly.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Yeah you guys are right since we are so deep as a team and going so deep in the tournament and winning all these championships. Why even recruit good kids anymore its not like they will get playing time SMH...Obvious sarcasm. ALL HIGH MAJOR TEAMS get good players to come to their school even with stacked rosters. Why?? Bc people want to be a part of winning programs and want to compete and play with the best talent in the country. Great players don't worry about minutes bc they believe in their heads that they are better than anyone they are going to go up against. Why does KY and Duke and UNC and all these other teams get numerous top 25 players every single year if they are already stacked how will they all get minutes....somehow they manage? Its straight comedy that all of you guys think its hard to get these kids to come in here. If they are worried about getting playing time we DON'T need to even waste our time considering a kid like that. Bc point blank that shows me they are soft and think they should be given PT and they sure as heck don't have what it takes to take this program to where it needs to be and should be. Swear so many Bearcat fans are okay with mediocrity and all these comments confirm it.

End rant.

We like to make excuses for everything around here.

 

[xlax]

Yeah you guys are right since we are so deep as a team and going so deep in the tournament and winning all these championships. Why even recruit good kids anymore its not like they will get playing time SMH...Obvious sarcasm. ALL HIGH MAJOR TEAMS get good players to come to their school even with stacked rosters. Why?? Bc people want to be a part of winning programs and want to compete and play with the best talent in the country. Great players don't worry about minutes bc they believe in their heads that they are better than anyone they are going to go up against. Why does KY and Duke and UNC and all these other teams get numerous top 25 players every single year if they are already stacked how will they all get minutes....somehow they manage? Its straight comedy that all of you guys think its hard to get these kids to come in here. If they are worried about getting playing time we DON'T need to even waste our time considering a kid like that. Bc point blank that shows me they are soft and think they should be given PT and they sure as heck don't have what it takes to take this program to where it needs to be and should be. Swear so many Bearcat fans are okay with mediocrity and all these comments confirm it.

End rant.

Those schools have 18 national titles. 11 since 1990.

Yep. Totally apples to apples.

 

[HarryBosch]

And about 9 feet behind the next to last guy down the court.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Those schools have 18 national titles. 11 since 1990.

Yep. Totally apples to apples.

I think you're missing the point.

It's just weird to me that on one hand we are worried about our depth bc scholarships 6-10 next year are Johnson, Brooks, Scott, Moore, and Jenifer...but on the other hand, it's way too hard to bring in good players bc there are no minutes? I don't get how that works.

 

[UCalum08]

I think you're missing the point.

It's just weird to me that on one hand we are worried about our depth bc scholarships 6-10 next year are Johnson, Brooks, Scott, Moore, and Jenifer...but on the other hand, it's way too hard to bring in good players bc there are no minutes? I don't get how that works.

Naming those 6-10 guys as basically our bench is scary. Not much confidence for me in those guys...hope we don't get hurt like this year...damn right we better start bringing better players with our open scholarships.

 

[xlax]

I think you're missing the point.

It's just weird to me that on one hand we are worried about our depth bc scholarships 6-10 next year are Johnson, Brooks, Scott, Moore, and Jenifer...but on the other hand, it's way too hard to bring in good players bc there are no minutes? I don't get how that works.

His point was that UK, Duke, and UNC don't have trouble recruiting.

My point is that there is absolutely no reason to realistically expect UC to be able to operate like those schools.

What exactly did I miss?

 

[jacobkdoyle]

His point was that UK, Duke, and UNC don't have trouble recruiting.

My point is that there is absolutely no reason to realistically expect UC to be able to operate like those schools.

What exactly did I miss?

I was under the impression that he was commenting on those schools getting talented players despite already having a roster full of talented players. I didn't see it as him saying we should recruit like those schools, but rather that it isn't an excuse for us not bringing in talented players. Don't want to speak for culverrd, but I feel like the difference in caliber of player between us and the blue-bloods was implied.

 

[JasonS]

I think you're missing the point.

It's just weird to me that on one hand we are worried about our depth bc scholarships 6-10 next year are Johnson, Brooks, Scott, Moore, and Jenifer...but on the other hand, it's way too hard to bring in good players bc there are no minutes? I don't get how that works.

So, barring injury or foul trouble, would you agree that the minutes per game for the starters probably looks something like this:

Caupain - 37 minutes
Johnson/Cumberland - 40 minutes combined (this is the biggest wild card in the lineup IMO)
Evans - 35 minutes
Clark - 30 minutes (until he shows he can play at a high level more than that)
Washington - 30 minutes

So, based on this assumption (which may be wrong but probably not too far off) you are trying to recruit better talent than you have on the bench to play 3 minutes to 8 minutes at the guard/wing position and as much as 10-20 minutes in the post. If I were a talented player that could play as a freshman, I would want to play more than 3-8 minutes per game. If I had other offers, I would surely consider them. This probably helps explain why we are hearing about possible bigs being recruiting and fewer guards/wings.

This doesn't mean that I feel comfortable with our depth. It just speaks to the reality of trying to upgrade your roster when you play in the AAC and don't have the minutes to dangle in front of recruits. I hope Mick and company can find a good player. It's just not as simple as some of you want to believe it to be. This is not excuses for the coaching staff. Simply a glance into reality.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

So, barring injury or foul trouble, would you agree that the minutes per game for the starters probably looks something like this:

Caupain - 37 minutes
Johnson/Cumberland - 40 minutes combined (this is the biggest wild card in the lineup IMO)
Evans - 35 minutes
Clark - 30 minutes (until he shows he can play at a high level more than that)
Washington - 30 minutes

So, based on this assumption (which may be wrong but probably not too far off) you are trying to recruit better talent than you have on the bench to play 3 minutes to 8 minutes at the guard/wing position and as much as 10-20 minutes in the post. If I were a talented player that could play as a freshman, I would want to play more than 3-8 minutes per game. If I had other offers, I would surely consider them. This probably helps explain why we are hearing about possible bigs being recruiting and fewer guards/wings.

This doesn't mean that I feel comfortable with our depth. It just speaks to the reality of trying to upgrade your roster when you play in the AAC and don't have the minutes to dangle in front of recruits. I hope Mick and company can find a good player. It's just not as simple as some of you want to believe it to be. This is not excuses for the coaching staff. Simply a glance into reality.

Ideally, I think we would have an 8 man rotation with no one having to average over 30-32 minutes per game. No way Caupain should average 37 minutes, or Evans 35. We will win by double digits a ton of times next year, so that doesn't seem like something we should want. Those guys might see those minutes in the biggest games, but not every night.

Also, I get that Johnson is a SR, but he should not be getting in the way of any talented players. We are 6ish deep next year (and that may be generous), so saying guys would turn us down bc there are no minutes seems crazy to me. If a guy is out there who can play, no one on our current bench should stop them from producing as much as they possibly can.

 

[JasonS]

Ideally, I think we would have an 8 man rotation with no one having to average over 30-32 minutes per game. No way Caupain should average 37 minutes, or Evans 35. We will win by double digits a ton of times next year, so that doesn't seem like something we should want. Those guys might see those minutes in the biggest games, but not every night.

Also, I get that Johnson is a SR, but he should not be getting in the way of any talented players. We are 6ish deep next year (and that may be generous), so saying guys would turn us down bc there are no minutes seems crazy to me. If a guy is out there who can play, no one on our current bench should stop them from producing as much as they possibly can.

So 37 might be a stretch, but no way he doesn't average 35 per game, especially in conference.

 

[xlax]

I was under the impression that he was commenting on those schools getting talented players despite already having a roster full of talented players.

So he's saying we should be able to fill out our roster (i.e. recruit) like them.

I didn't see it as him saying we should recruit like those schools, but rather that it isn't an excuse for us not bringing in talented players.

Or wait, he's not saying we should fill out our roster (i.e. recruit) like them? I'm confused...

 

[Chad Brendel]

We arent following Mick and Larry around to know who exactly they are looking at during events.

One of us is... lol

 

[jacobkdoyle]

So he's saying we should be able to fill out our roster (i.e. recruit) like them.



Or wait, he's not saying we should fill out our roster (i.e. recruit) like them? I'm confused...

I'm not so sure you're actually confused.

Other schools still get good players despite having a talented roster. We won't recruit at the level of the top schools, but we should still be able to bring in good players despite what we currently have. So basically I'm not buying that we can't bring anyone good in bc of our current roster construction. Simple as that (at least for me).

 

[jacobkdoyle]

So 37 might be a stretch, but no way he doesn't average 35 per game, especially in conference.

Yeah I agree there won't be minutes at PG. I think a lot of people have been saying that's the case for wing players though.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I'm not so sure you're actually confused.

Other schools still get good players despite having a talented roster. We won't recruit at the level of the top schools, but we should still be able to bring in good players despite what we currently have. So basically I'm not buying that we can't bring anyone good in bc of our current roster construction. Simple as that (at least for me).

Jacob not saying we can't bring in good players. But to ignore the fact that playing time is a big factor in luring good players is very short sighted. Good players aren't looking for back up minutes.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Jacob not saying we can't bring in good players. But to ignore the fact that playing time is a big factor in luring good players is very short sighted. Good players aren't looking for back up minutes.

Who says we don't have playing time to offer? That's what I'm so confused about. Johnson, Brooks, Scott, Moore, and Jenifer are players 6-10 in our program. I don't see how playing time is a problem. And I'm talking about the 2016 Spring period. There aren't 5* players coming this spring. I'm talking about the players you and I think we need to give us depth. If Darius Hicks thinks he's starting day 1 at a place like Cincinnati, he's nuts. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't have a chance to contribute right away. I just used Hicks bc I know we're after him, but the same is true for any wing player we offer.