Coaching changes

[Bearcat_NTS]

I agree and I disagree. This fan base would have been best served if Bob Huggins had gone into Professional ball. As long as he does well or until he retires, our coach will be compared to his results at WVU. This will continue whether it is Cronin or someone else. A new coach MAY get a year or 2, but if he doesn't produce, the same uneducated fan base that is calling for Cronin's head will call for the next coaches head. What that faction of the fan base needs to be reminded off is that Cronin was a Huggins assistant, and the other 2 assistants (Martin and Kennedy) who have head coaching positions are doing damn well. Is just Mick who didn't didn't learn anything form Huggins? He also was an assistant under Pitino, and last I checked, his coaching tree has been incredibally successful. Is it Cronin who just didn't learn anything from Pitino? Coaching is not the issue. Getting players who can execute the game plan is. I don't think it's a question of getting the players to 'buy' into the game plan. But in this past years senior and junior classes, the talent and IQ to execute the game plan was lacking. These were filler classes and that is why we are seeing some of them being replaced with more talented players. As the talent level increases, the results on the court will be better. That why you HAVE to give him a full cycle of HIS players, and we will see our patience be rewarded. Undermining that with constant negativity and calling for his head is the one thing that will derail this process. Mick will be here as long as UC will have him, and it is incumbant for the educated fan base to get behind him and drown out the naysayers, in contrast to the current state of affairs.

The fact that they haven't been winning is only half the problem. They don't resemble a team, if they played as hard as they did in the williamson, sikes, warren years fans could say that they may not be the most talented bunch but...., if the current recruits can't run a game plan what makes you think future recruits can??

that being said, I hope Cronin turns it around and UC is in the tourney for years to come

 

[BearcatAlum1]

The fact that they haven't been winning is only half the problem. They don't resemble a team, if they played as hard as they did in the williamson, sikes, warren years fans could say that they may not be the most talented bunch but...., if the current recruits can't run a game plan what makes you think future recruits can??

that being said, I hope Cronin turns it around and UC is in the tourney for years to come

I think it's a culture thing with a few players.

The group you mentioned had tons of heart. Bishop, Davis, Mitchell, McClain were only freshmen when those guys were seniors, so the seniors dominated the culture.

Well, those seniors moved on and the current crop of juniors took over with their "I don't give a $hit attitude," and it shows.

I'm not a fan of Bishop and Davis. I think DV and Toyloy were also a big problem with a "laid back" attitude.

I think all of these players have negatively impacted Yancy's work ethic and focus.

 

[swg]

I think it's a culture thing with a few players.

The group you mentioned had tons of heart. Bishop, Davis, Mitchell, McClain were only freshmen when those guys were seniors, so the seniors dominated the culture.

Well, those seniors moved on and the current crop of juniors took over with their "I don't give a $hit attitude," and it shows.

I'm not a fan of Bishop and Davis. I think DV and Toyloy were also a big problem with a "laid back" attitude.

I think all of these players have negatively impacted Yancy's work ethic and focus.

I think you may be right. Definitely lacking in leadership from the upperclassmen.

 

[ready2go]

I agree and I disagree. This fan base would have been best served if Bob Huggins had gone into Professional ball. As long as he does well or until he retires, our coach will be compared to his results at WVU. This will continue whether it is Cronin or someone else. A new coach MAY get a year or 2, but if he doesn't produce, the same uneducated fan base that is calling for Cronin's head will call for the next coaches head. What that faction of the fan base needs to be reminded off is that Cronin was a Huggins assistant, and the other 2 assistants (Martin and Kennedy) who have head coaching positions are doing damn well. Is just Mick who didn't didn't learn anything form Huggins? He also was an assistant under Pitino, and last I checked, his coaching tree has been incredibally successful. Is it Cronin who just didn't learn anything from Pitino? Coaching is not the issue. Getting players who can execute the game plan is. I don't think it's a question of getting the players to 'buy' into the game plan. But in this past years senior and junior classes, the talent and IQ to execute the game plan was lacking. These were filler classes and that is why we are seeing some of them being replaced with more talented players. As the talent level increases, the results on the court will be better. That why you HAVE to give him a full cycle of HIS players, and we will see our patience be rewarded. Undermining that with constant negativity and calling for his head is the one thing that will derail this process. Mick will be here as long as UC will have him, and it is incumbant for the educated fan base to get behind him and drown out the naysayers, in contrast to the current state of affairs.

Is that not the definition of coaching?? Teaching your players to execute. Placing what is in you brain as a coach, onto the floor. If your players are not executing, then its not being taught correctly! HELLO

And if you give me this IQ thing, Mick recruits them. Bottom of the barrel at the time or not, if thats the case then recruit smart players even if they are less talented

 

[ucgrad94]

Is that not the definition of coaching?? Teaching your players to execute. Placing what is in you brain as a coach, onto the floor. If your players are not executing, then its not being taught correctly! HELLO

And if you give me this IQ thing, Mick recruits them. Bottom of the barrel at the time or not, if thats the case then recruit smart players even if they are less talented

That is a good point, and to think the last 2 years, 2 players suspended, both right before the Big East Tournament. I don't personally know the players but I can imagine (at least one of them) are/were not very smart. You have to recruit players that have some intelligence in order to coach them.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Is that not the definition of coaching?? Teaching your players to execute. Placing what is in you brain as a coach, onto the floor. If your players are not executing, then its not being taught correctly! HELLO
And if you give me this IQ thing, Mick recruits them. Bottom of the barrel at the time or not, if thats the case then recruit smart players even if they are less talented

That's a ridiculous statement. It continues to amaze how a select few give the players a complete pass. Did anybody listen to the player statements following the Dayton game? The players did not take Dayton serious. That was evident in several games.

A players job is to execute the coaches game plan. Typically if the players, as a group do that, the team has a chance to win. If 1-2 players decide not to do that, the whole game plan goes out the window.

Mick's weakness to this point is his inability to get the players to buy into, and stick with his game plan. I heard after several loses this season, a player or two say, we just need to stick with the game plan. It's not about teaching. It's about gaining buy in on a consistent basis. Hitting a few shots wouldn't hurt either. I feel their inability to shoot created panic in the players at times and made them force things. That in part is a reflection of the players he's recruited. It shows their character. A team has to be disciplined on the floor and this is where player leadership comes into play. That is a major area this program has missed over the past 4 years.As I have said several times. Mick is accountable for this, but it certainly isn't all his fault.

 

[ready2go]

That's a ridiculous statement. It continues to amaze how a select few give the players a complete pass. Did anybody listen to the player statements following the Dayton game? The players did not take Dayton serious. That was evident in several games.

A players job is to execute the coaches game plan. Typically if the players, as a group do that, the team has a chance to win. If 1-2 players decide not to do that, the whole game plan goes out the window.

Mick's weakness to this point is his inability to get the players to buy into, and stick with his game plan. I heard after several loses this season, a player or two say, we just need to stick with the game plan. It's not about teaching. It's about gaining buy in on a consistent basis. Hitting a few shots wouldn't hurt either. I feel their inability to shoot created panic in the players at times and made them force things. That in part is a reflection of the players he's recruited. It shows their character. A team has to be disciplined on the floor and this is where player leadership comes into play. That is a major area this program has missed over the past 4 years.As I have said several times. Mick is accountable for this, but it certainly isn't all his fault.

A teams inability to execute, falls on the man up top. If they aren't capable of learning it, then don't recruit them. Plain and simple.

 

[ready2go]

Here is why I don't put too much blame on the players. I'm not saying they shouldn't be accountable, but still. These players don't choose where they want to play. Ultimately the Head Coach of a program chooses who he wants. All this talk about the leadership on the court and what not, is a result of recruiting. You can't make someone who they are not. Vaughn for a couple years was a good player. Trying to force him to be someone he is not, a leader, is NOT his fault. I'd rather have a guy who has a little more intelligence on the court with less talent than these other guys.

 

[anbuc88]

A teams inability to execute, falls on the man up top. If they aren't capable of learning it, then don't recruit them. Plain and simple.

It's not so plain and simple. He could not recruit any player that he wanted as he was hamstrung by the APR requirements. He had to get players who would graduate and has said that there were players he would have gone after but couldn't due to the academic state of the program. Plain and simple is your train of thought, and your inability to grasp the gravity of the situation that Cronin inherited.

 

[adrock]

If players are not responsible when a team loses, they are also not to be credited when they win.

Using this logic, the coach should get all the credit for every win (which our coach doesn't), and all the blame for every loss (which our coach seems to do). I'm veering off topic here, but this sentiment is one I have seen too often recently. Fans say our losses are because of our coach, but our wins are in spite of him. This is obviously ridiculously flawed logic. [/rant]

 

[ralph1950]

A teams inability to execute, falls on the man up top. If they aren't capable of learning it, then don't recruit them. Plain and simple.

You have to field a team, you cannot tell the Big East you are going to take 5 years off. If the players you want go to other schools because your program has been devastated and they do not want to be part of a rebuilding process, what do you do?

You have two choices, choice 1 is not recruit anyone because you cannot get who you want, put a sign on the gym door "basketball tryouts Oct. 15 at 10am", pick the 13 best from who trys out and go 0-30.

Choice 2 is settle for recruits who are a notch below Big East talent, go 15-15, and continue to try and convince the top tier players to come to your school.

Which do you choose?

 

[lumberjack]

Is that not the definition of coaching?? Teaching your players to execute. Placing what is in you brain as a coach, onto the floor. If your players are not executing, then its not being taught correctly! HELLO

And if you give me this IQ thing, Mick recruits them. Bottom of the barrel at the time or not, if thats the case then recruit smart players even if they are less talented

Mcfly is here!

 

[lumberjack]

That's a ridiculous statement. It continues to amaze how a select few give the players a complete pass. Did anybody listen to the player statements following the Dayton game? The players did not take Dayton serious. That was evident in several games.

A players job is to execute the coaches game plan. Typically if the players, as a group do that, the team has a chance to win. If 1-2 players decide not to do that, the whole game plan goes out the window.

Mick's weakness to this point is his inability to get the players to buy into, and stick with his game plan. I heard after several loses this season, a player or two say, we just need to stick with the game plan. It's not about teaching. It's about gaining buy in on a consistent basis. Hitting a few shots wouldn't hurt either. I feel their inability to shoot created panic in the players at times and made them force things. That in part is a reflection of the players he's recruited. It shows their character. A team has to be disciplined on the floor and this is where player leadership comes into play. That is a major area this program has missed over the past 4 years.As I have said several times. Mick is accountable for this, but it certainly isn't all his fault.

His players--his fault!

 

[ready2go]

It's not so plain and simple. He could not recruit any player that he wanted as he was hamstrung by the APR requirements. He had to get players who would graduate and has said that there were players he would have gone after but couldn't due to the academic state of the program. Plain and simple is your train of thought, and your inability to grasp the gravity of the situation that Cronin inherited.

If you can't get top talent, then get talent that can be coached. Obviously Mick felt he could coach these guys, and guess what? He's not getting it done. I'm tired of his post game comments. "Well we are a young team." He is using that as an excuse. Use the youth on the team to push the ball. 40 minutes of controlled chaos. Adapt to your personel. Set offense is obviously not this teams strength.

Can you honestly say except for Maui, that they had a good game? The offense is attrocious and the defense left lot's of open shots that were not made. The Big East Tourny they played hard. That alone won't win games though.

 

[ucdave]

This thread turning into another pissing match, no different than BCN.

 

[ready2go]

Ok let's put it this way.

Put all the excuses aside. Meaning when he took over the team, players IQ, etc. I have said why I don't trust in his abilities. I'll let you guys explain now.

What do you see in Mick Cronin that leads you to believe he can get the job done?

 

[swg]

This thread has pretty much run its course.

 

[ralph1950]

If you can't get top talent, then get talent that can be coached. Obviously Mick felt he could coach these guys, and guess what? He's not getting it done. I'm tired of his post game comments. "Well we are a young team." He is using that as an excuse. Use the youth on the team to push the ball. 40 minutes of controlled chaos. Adapt to your personel. Set offense is obviously not this teams strength.

Can you honestly say except for Maui, that they had a good game? The offense is attrocious and the defense left lot's of open shots that were not made. The Big East Tourny they played hard. That alone won't win games though.

Talent that can be coached loses games. Mick coached well his first and second year but those less talented coachable guys went 11-19 and 13-18.

 

[Lobot]

Not quite. St. John's hires Lavin

 

[bearcat jeff]

His players--his fault!

You like others confuse accountability with fault. Please close this.