Crosstown shootout

[ME80]

You are clearly a fan of Xavier. No issue with that. I have encouraged a lot of the Xavier fans to post here.

Why? In reality I have no problem with it, but why does a fan of another program want to be here. If they are here simply to "protect" their team from unwarranted comments then they need to get a life. The only other reason is to cause some sh--!

Just my opinion, but the majority that post on this board saying the are "fans of both programs" usually always post positively about the other team and negatively about the Cats.

 

[Thegreatone]

Why? In reality I have no problem with it, but why does a fan of another program want to be here. If they are here simply to "protect" their team from unwarranted comments then they need to get a life. The only other reason is to cause some sh--!

Just my opinion, but the majority that post on this board saying the are "fans of both programs" usually always post positively about the other team and negatively about the Cats.

I agree that the most are not fans of both teams.

I like getting different opinions even if I disagree with them because it usually sparks good conversation.

 

[Thegreatone]

When you say Mack did nothing to stop it, do you mean Holloway, Lyons and Wells weren't suspended? They were given longer suspensions than a lot of schools would have given. Think about the ASU fight from last year or the Brittney Griner fight. I don't recall Stephenson being suspended for taunting Chris Mack. When it comes to partial qualifiers, I am perfectly fine with X taking them. There is nothing wrong with giving someone another chance to go to college. Xavier is not cheating by accepting them and on the downside they reduce the amount of players on the bench.

No one is saying there is anything wrong or that they are cheating with taking the guys they are. Given kids a chance to go to college is great but it tends to be something you here from schools that have a lot of issues.

As for the suspensions I thought they were light but some might think UC's were. I would say Wells sparking the fight with a shove and then throwing some haymackers that didnt landed. Octavious got 6 games for a little less.

The point is there were 3 games before the shootout that should have raised many red flags to Mack and he disregarded all of them because X was winning.

 

[Thegreatone]

Oklahoma A&M and San Francisco also have 2 championships. I don't see top recruits lining up for those programs. What happened 50 years ago is irrelevant.

3 elite 8's
1 Final Four
2 AP #1 rankings
1 Player of the Year
1 Coach of the Year
1 Top overall draft pick

This all in the past 20 years.

But that must not be relevant to you either? Only the past 3 years is relevant? Which you could make an arguement Cincy has had a better 3 years.

But you are going to want to talk about sweet 16 four out of five years I guess? That is an impressive list but there is a reason the other programs never mention it. They dont care.

If UC makes the sweet 16 next year it wont be good enough. Elite 8 would be cool and is impressive but final 4 is really what you can brag about IMO.

You can not compare us to those programs because we have had way more success than just 2 championships in the 60's.

Ralph measure of success is championships because it has happened in his lifetime a couple of time.

 

[BearcatMick]

Xavier is filth from the top down.

 

[JasonS]

Since you are against X taking some risk, how do you feel about Shaq Thomas or Born Ready? Stephenson may have shaped up when he got to campus, but he was not perfect before coming to UC.

Shaq Thomas had to sit out because the NCAA decided that his school was not properly qualified for certain classes with the NCAA and thus, as a penalty, he had to sit out a year but still has 4 years of eligibility. The kid did nothing wrong and unfortunately, got stuck in the middle.

Lance Stephenson was a risk for sure. Mick did his due diligence and took a calculated risk. The difference is that Mick has taken a chance on a kid once in 6 years. How many chances has Mack taken in the last 3 years?

 

[Thegreatone]

Shaq Thomas had to sit out because the NCAA decided that his school was not properly qualified for certain classes with the NCAA and thus, as a penalty, he had to sit out a year but still has 4 years of eligibility. The kid did nothing wrong and unfortunately, got stuck in the middle.

Lance Stephenson was a risk for sure. Mick did his due diligence and took a calculated risk. The difference is that Mick has taken a chance on a kid once in 6 years. How many chances has Mack taken in the last 3 years?

IMO it is not about the amount of chances he has taken. It is the lack of discipline and control when they are there. I am talking about on the court stuff.

 

[Kingsley Court]

IMO it is not about the amount of chances he has taken. It is the lack of discipline and control when they are there. I am talking about on the court stuff.

I don't think I've ever seen such a soft fan base response to Xaviers basketball team. A little trash talking on the court, and you think they are trash. Trash talking happens, just watch basketball, every team does it.

 

[ralph1950]

I don't think I've ever seen such a soft fan base response to Xaviers basketball team. A little trash talking on the court, and you think they are trash. Trash talking happens, just watch basketball, every team does it.

X is a locker room full of gangstas, schools that have respect for the game no longer want to associate with them.

 

[bearcat jeff]

I don't think I've ever seen such a soft fan base response to Xaviers basketball team. A little trash talking on the court, and you think they are trash. Trash talking happens, just watch basketball, every team does it.

Trash talking happens every game but it's typically kept to a certain level and typically isn't driected at coaches in a blatantly disrespectful way. Xavier's admin understands how embarrassing the behavior is. I know behind the scenes things.

 

[Kingsley Court]

Trash talking happens every game but it's typically kept to a certain level and typically isn't driected at coaches in a blatantly disrespectful way. Xavier's admin understands how embarrassing the behavior is. I know behind the scenes things.

Done. As long as we can both agree trash talking happens every game. Some people seem to think it's a huge deal that Xavier has players that talk trash. Those people just don't understand that it is part of the game now.

I was honestly surprised at how many UC fans got all butthurt because of some trash talk.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Done. As long as we can both agree trash talking happens every game. Some people seem to think it's a huge deal that Xavier has players that talk trash. Those people just don't understand that it is part of the game now.

I was honestly surprised at how many UC fans got all butthurt because of some trash talk.

That said, when several respected coaches make comments about your teams behavior there is an issue.

 

[DontMissHim]

If your only basis for the programs level of success is post season success i would argue they are about even.

But you are better than that. I know X fans like to descredit the regular season because it is not fun and meaningless for 80% of their conference games but it matters in measuring success.

About even? over the last three years? Xavier tournament success has been better...thats straight statistics

You can have a horrible regular season, get to the sweet 16 and the fan base will say it was a solid year. Have a great regular season and lose early in the tournament and it was a bad season. When people ask "what did __ do in 95?" they are talking about post season only. It is the only thing that matters. This is exactly why many UC fans wanted Huggins gone, great regular season coach- horrible tournament coach. If success truly was based on everything, fans wouldn't have been calling for his head.

Also, it speaks volumes when many UC fans say how easy Xaviers run was to the sweet 16 this season considering X beat the 3rd best Big East team on the way. What does that say about the Big East? Either Xavier is so good beating the 3rd best team in the BE isn't hard or the BE just isn't that good. Your pick.

 

[Bearcat04]

About even? over the last three years? Xavier tournament success has been better...thats straight statistics

You can have a horrible regular season, get to the sweet 16 and the fan base will say it was a solid year. Have a great regular season and lose early in the tournament and it was a bad season. When people ask "what did __ do in 95?" they are talking about post season only. It is the only thing that matters. This is exactly why many UC fans wanted Huggins gone, great regular season coach- horrible tournament coach. If success truly was based on everything, fans wouldn't have been calling for his head.

Also, it speaks volumes when many UC fans say how easy Xaviers run was to the sweet 16 this season considering X beat the 3rd best Big East team on the way. What does that say about the Big East? Either Xavier is so good beating the 3rd best team in the BE isn't hard or the BE just isn't that good. Your pick.

What it says is that you don't know a whole lot about college basketball outside of where a team finished in its conference. You don't even have to be a hardcore fan to know that the Irish not only struggle away from the Joyce Center, but also in the NCAA tournament. They were just 6-11 away from home last year and they have failed to reach the second week of the tournament in their last five appearances. Regardless of the draw the vast majority of UC fans that I know had no faith in ND to do anything in the tournament. It was a favorable match up for XU and they took advantage of it. Do you want a cookie?

 

[Kingsley Court]

So a team that is horrible away from home can finish 3rd in the Big East? That's telling.

 

[ralph1950]

So a team that is horrible away from home can finish 3rd in the Big East? That's telling.

A team that finishes 9-9 in the Big East, in 9th place, can win the NCAA Tournament, UConn 2011.

Chris Mack has no integrity.

 

[BearcatMick]

Xavier is the most corrupt institution in the country. They have sold their soul to the devil

 

[david aka the TYZ]

The back and forth is interesting. The X guys on here are trying to get under our skin and for some it seems to be working. For what it's worth, it's nice to say we've won two national titles and been to six final fours, and I'm sure the banners look good when recruits see them in person, but let's be honest the titles came 50 years ago and are irrelevant to today's games. Our last final four was 1992, no current recruits were alive back then (maybe a juco transfer had just been born or something). What is relevant to recruits is current (last few years) success and what conference they are playing in and what success the coach has had, not only winning, but also as far as getting players to the NBA. I'd much rather be in our position than Xavier's right now. We have alot more to sell to recruits than Xavier. And we are on the up, Xavier has peeked. Not saying Xavier can't sustain the level they're at, but I'd be hard pressed to believe Xavier will ever be a perrenial final four contender. We could be -- could be. Players don't want to play in the A-10, they just don't. Xavier's success will land the occasional good recruit and Mack is doing what he can to get transfers that are better talents, but he is playing with fire. A fire he can't or more importantly doesn't seem willing or wanting to control. Mack's days are numbered at X, because I can't imagine the administration and alum like the image their school is beginning to project. If Huggins could get fired from UC for a bad image, how can Mack expect to stay at Xavier? The two situations are very similar, the difference being Huggins built and sustained success and was known as one of the best coaches in the game. Mack can't boast either of those.

 

[Kingsley Court]

The two situations are very similar, the difference being Huggins built and sustained success and was known as one of the best coaches in the game. Mack can't boast either of those.

If you could, would you care to elaborate on how the two situations are very similar? I don't believe any Xavier players had any problems with the law while attending Xavier, and I don't believe Mack has had any problems with the law, as Huggins did. I'm interested to hear how they are similar at all, let alone "very" similar.

Unless, do you think trash talking on the court is the same as breaking the law?

 

[david aka the TYZ]

If you could, would you care to elaborate on how the two situations are very similar? I don't believe any Xavier players had any problems with the law while attending Xavier, and I don't believe Mack has had any problems with the law, as Huggins did. I'm interested to hear how they are similar at all, let alone "very" similar.

Unless, do you think trash talking on the court is the same as breaking the law?

No they haven't, I was referring more to how each coach has conducted himself into getting his talent and how those players are handled and how the program's image has become to be perceived. Huggins was a nobody when he came here and took questionable players whose talent outweighed their baggage. Players that if they were squeeky clean could and likely would've have gone to a better program. I just find it funny how for years Xavier's fans knock on UC was our thug team and how bad our coach and players were and now the roles are reversed. I and other UC fans defended our coach and players to a degree and you and other Xavier fans will defend your team in the same light, but those outside the program have a complete different opinion than the fans do.

And normal trash talking is one thing...what your players have done in the past few years is different. Can you honestly say you like how your players and coach have conducted themselves? I can honestly say I was embarrassed by Huggins and Donald Little and Art Long and Keith Legree and Corrie Blount and Dontonio Wingfield and Roy Bright and Lance Stephenson for that matter. I'm not embarrassed by Coach Cronin. I was embarrassed by the fight a little, but my honest opinion is we didn't instigate the fight and we reacted how most would in the same situation. I don't condone fighting nor apologize for it, but testosterone and the heat of the moment can get the better of anyone.