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bearcat18 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree here. If you play SK at the 3, you don't have to have two newcomers in the backcourt. You still have Guyn or Davis to match up with a newcomer. I doubt we will ever see two freshmen in the backcourt at the same time unless it's wash-up minutes.


I like Shaq and Sanders, but I'd have to be real with their expectations. Shaq had good moments last year, but doing it over 10 minute stretches instead of 2-3 minute stretches will be key. I hope they can carry the load at the 3, but we will probably have to rely on SK at times.

When you have five newcomers on your team, chances are you will have to be inexperienced on the floor at certain times. That's how kids learn. Practice can only do so much. Good thing is our schedule won't be as rough so these guys will have more game action to better themselves.
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Davis is pretty much a newcomer as well he has never played a full season but we shall see when season starts. Good convo
 
TheLongHaul said:
david, you have no idea what their situation was. And frankly it doesn't matter. Most of the new guys just got in town. You think they are in a hurry to go play in a crappy summer league game after working out all morning (and probably every hour since being on campus)? Oh, but you think they should make every effort to get down there because you (and typically about 20 other fans) had to donate $3 to watch them play? Get real.

I've been to DSL just about every year and it's always a crap shoot who is going to show up. If you expect better that's your fault for not understanding what the league is about. Hell, Cronin would rather them not attend at all.

And Chatter, that's your fault for changing your expectations based on watching them in DSL. Some people, myself included, just like watching them play and want to get an early look at the newcomers. You ever think that some aren't placing expectations on the players based on what they see there?
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You sit on a mighty high soap box don't you? First off if Mick didn't want them playing they wouldn't be playing plain and simple. You think any player would go against the wishes of his coach and play in a summer league his coach doesn't want him playing in? Much less all of them? And again read my post. I want to know why the veterans didn't show up either. And don't assume anything about me, especially that I'm whining about my $3 entry to go see the games. These players would not sign up year after year to play in this thing if they felt it was a "crappy summer league". MY OPINION is the team as a whole blew it off Sunday. Which is their perogative. You tell me I don't know their situation as if you do know their situation. It's MY OPINION they blew it off. It's obviously your opinion that they didn't. Fine. They upset numerous people and I myself was disappointed that they decided to blow it off as I made time to go down and see them. Should I not be upset that I made plans and they got derailed? I've waited months to get down to go see them. Sunday was my first chance and I was excited only to get left feeling like I got punched in the stomach. That is where I stand on the issue. I don't think the players owe me personally anything. I don't run around with the ego you seem to. Yeah its a crapshoot who will and won't play, it's never been a crapshoot whether the whole team would be mysteriously absent.
 
Bearcatboy said:
Davis is pretty much a newcomer as well he has never played a full season but we shall see when season starts. Good convo
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Yea good stuff. Even though we will be inexperienced at times, Mick will have a lot of different options and lineups to go to. That has to be nice for a coach.
 
I love how all this red shirt talk just comes out of left field. People love to just throw stuff out on here like they know its for sure going to happen then run with it lol. IMO All of the guards coming in are better offensively as freshmen then Parker was as a senior and all of our returning small guards except for SK obviously. There is no point to redshirt any of these kids if anything I think Sanders gets next to no playing time bc of his lack of depth to his game. These kids all have a lot of talent and will contribute as freshmen.
 
culverrd said:
I love how all this red shirt talk just comes out of left field. People love to just throw stuff out on here like they know its for sure going to happen then run with it lol. IMO All of the guards coming in are better offensively as freshmen then Parker was as a senior and all of our returning small guards except for SK obviously. There is no point to redshirt any of these kids if anything I think Sanders gets next to no playing time bc of his lack of depth to his game. These kids all have a lot of talent and will contribute as freshmen.
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All of the guards coming in are NOT better offensively than Parker his senior year. They will be at some point in their careers but that is a ridiculous claim. They haven't played 1 second of D1 ball. They are talented, especially KJ, but they haven't proven anything yet to warrant that kind of claim
 
david aka the TYZ said:
You sit on a mighty high soap box don't you? First off if Mick didn't want them playing they wouldn't be playing plain and simple. You think any player would go against the wishes of his coach and play in a summer league his coach doesn't want him playing in? Much less all of them? And again read my post. I want to know why the veterans didn't show up either. And don't assume anything about me, especially that I'm whining about my $3 entry to go see the games. These players would not sign up year after year to play in this thing if they felt it was a "crappy summer league". MY OPINION is the team as a whole blew it off Sunday. Which is their perogative. You tell me I don't know their situation as if you do know their situation. It's MY OPINION they blew it off. It's obviously your opinion that they didn't. Fine. They upset numerous people and I myself was disappointed that they decided to blow it off as I made time to go down and see them. Should I not be upset that I made plans and they got derailed? I've waited months to get down to go see them. Sunday was my first chance and I was excited only to get left feeling like I got punched in the stomach. That is where I stand on the issue. I don't think the players owe me personally anything. I don't run around with the ego you seem to. Yeah its a crapshoot who will and won't play, it's never been a crapshoot whether the whole team would be mysteriously absent.
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Let me rephrase, Mick would prefer them not to play. I'm pretty sure there is a direct quote out there of him saying that.

And no, I don't know their situation, which is one reason why I'm not crying about them not attending. Even if they did blow it off, so what. They have no obligation whatsoever to attend. It's just a summer league created to let some guys play basketball.

I don't care if you are upset. I'd probably be upset too if I wend and didn't get to see them but I wouldn't whine about it like everyone on this board like I was entitled to something. It's a summer league, it's used to get some running in and have some fun, nothing else. It's essentially pick up ball. People have always come and gone and shown up when they please because they have no obligation to play, regardless of how many hours you worked that week.
 
JasonS said:
I believe they make the cuts down to the 12 man team on June 30 and then they begin play August 1.
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SK has a shot. Good for him and good for the program. Anyone looking for a guy who has worked hard and put in the time to make himself a very good player should focus on him. If the other guys take his lead we will have a bunch of hard working fine young men to cheer for.
 
david aka the TYZ said:
You sit on a mighty high soap box don't you? First off if Mick didn't want them playing they wouldn't be playing plain and simple. You think any player would go against the wishes of his coach and play in a summer league his coach doesn't want him playing in? Much less all of them? And again read my post. I want to know why the veterans didn't show up either. And don't assume anything about me, especially that I'm whining about my $3 entry to go see the games. These players would not sign up year after year to play in this thing if they felt it was a "crappy summer league". MY OPINION is the team as a whole blew it off Sunday. Which is their perogative. You tell me I don't know their situation as if you do know their situation. It's MY OPINION they blew it off. It's obviously your opinion that they didn't. Fine. They upset numerous people and I myself was disappointed that they decided to blow it off as I made time to go down and see them. Should I not be upset that I made plans and they got derailed? I've waited months to get down to go see them. Sunday was my first chance and I was excited only to get left feeling like I got punched in the stomach. That is where I stand on the issue. I don't think the players owe me personally anything. I don't run around with the ego you seem to. Yeah its a crapshoot who will and won't play, it's never been a crapshoot whether the whole team would be mysteriously absent.
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Dead on. Longhaul is an arrogant you know what. :cool:
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
SK has a shot. Good for him and good for the program. Anyone looking for a guy who has worked hard and put in the time to make himself a very good player should focus on him. If the other guys take his lead we will have a bunch of hard working fine young men to cheer for.
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Like you said, it could be huge for the program. Stuff like this, Stephenson in the NBA, plenty of players overseas having successful careers, etc. are huge for recruiting.
 
WAITE HOYT 2 said:
SK has a shot. Good for him and good for the program. Anyone looking for a guy who has worked hard and put in the time to make himself a very good player should focus on him. If the other guys take his lead we will have a bunch of hard working fine young men to cheer for.
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Agreed. I am really excited to see SK this season. We all know he has been working his butt off and I think he knows what he needs to improve. Playing against the competition he is facing now will be a great experience. When :) he makes the team, think of all the great coaching he is going to receive. He has been a great rep for UC.
 
UCalum08 said:
Agreed. I am really excited to see SK this season. We all know he has been working his butt off and I think he knows what he needs to improve. Playing against the competition he is facing now will be a great experience. When :) he makes the team, think of all the great coaching he is going to receive. He has been a great rep for UC.
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The one thing I know about SK is that he will never stop working hard-I love that about him. From a pure talent standpoint, he is good but not great. But he wants it more than anybody else, and that is what I think will separate him. I remember reading on numerous occasions that he either has keys or asks for keys to the gym so that he can practice before everyone else shows up. While I think Yancy turned out okay, I still sometimes wonder how good he could've been if he had SK-like determination. SK has the drive to be great and I think he will help carry the team this year. Hopefully, some of these freshman can contribute to make it easier for him. If his determination rubs off on them, we have a great future as a program..........
 
BearcatMick said:
All of the guards coming in are NOT better offensively than Parker his senior year. They will be at some point in their careers but that is a ridiculous claim. They haven't played 1 second of D1 ball. They are talented, especially KJ, but they haven't proven anything yet to warrant that kind of claim
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I get it they haven't played a game of D1 ball and still have to prove themselves but he was awful on offense last year its not hard to be better then what he produced.... 10 pts per game 54% FT % and averaged the most minutes of everyone on the team at 34 minutes. Thats terrible production. From what I have seen all of the new guards are way more offensive minded and all around offensive threats. If you watched any game last year we struggled so much offensively bc we had so many players who could only do one thing. All I am saying is all of these players seem to have inside and outside games and can all create their own shots can move the ball as well and seem to be more athletic. Just my opinion.
 

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