Memphis 1/15

[waterhead]

Here are some interesting +/- stats from the Memphis game. This is the amount of points we gained or lost while each player was in the game. I think it clearly shows one of the main problems might be substitution patterns.

+/- for the starting 5

TC...-7
GC...+5
OE...0
KJ...0
ST...0

A combined -2 (not too bad)

5 non starters

JS...-6
Moore...-10
Debarry...-13
Cobb...-15
Morman...-19

A combined -63


Now of course I am not pointing out one player but how the players were used together that seems to be the problem. The stats for UConn weren't available but I wouldn't doubt if the same pattern showed up. I think LD must do a better job of substitutions...we can't go through spurts where we get killed because too many of our key guys are on the bench.

 

[nkywestside]

I brought it up in an earlier thread and it is worth repeating. The 2-3 spot is in shambles. Is there a Starting 3 man in the nation Avg. less than Shaq's 6 points per game? Is there a Starting 2 guard in the nation Avg. less than KJ's 5 points? The program has to figure out how to implement a better player in these positions. Mormon is a start. People either love or hate him. I love what he brings. His attitude alone is reason enough to get him on the floor 25 minutes a game between the 2-3. His aggressiveness is evident in his free throw attempts. He avg. nearly 9 attempts per 40 minutes of play. Phenomenal for a Freshman. It's all about production and it's time for this kid to be getting more than his 10 minutes a game.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Here are some interesting +/- stats from the Memphis game. This is the amount of points we gained or lost while each player was in the game. I think it clearly shows one of the main problems might be substitution patterns.

+/- for the starting 5

TC...-7
GC...+5
OE...0
KJ...0
ST...0

A combined -2 (not too bad)

5 non starters

JS...-6
Moore...-10
Debarry...-13
Cobb...-15
Morman...-19

A combined -63


Now of course I am not pointing out one player but how the players were used together that seems to be the problem. The stats for UConn weren't available but I wouldn't doubt if the same pattern showed up. I think LD must do a better job of substitutions...we can't go through spurts where we get killed because too many of our key guys are on the bench.

Morman had a bad +/- for 2 reasons I think.
1. He played with Quadri, Cobb and Sanders who combined for 2 points.
2. He played a lot with Moore and DeBerry as the last line of defense, and those guys were horrible last night.

 

[waterhead]

Morman had a bad +/- for 2 reasons I think.
1. He played with Quadri, Cobb and Sanders who combined for 2 points.
2. He played a lot with Moore and DeBerry as the last line of defense, and those guys were horrible last night.

Yes...my point wasn't to point out any individual numbers it was to show starters as a group vs non starters. If Morman played in place of Thomas (all else the same) his numbers might have been on the plus side. It's obvious we need Caupain, Ellis, and Clark as many minutes as possible. I would like to see Morman play more minutes with these guys as a group and see what happens.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Yes...my point wasn't to point out any individual numbers it was to show starters as a group vs non starters. If Morman played in place of Thomas (all else the same) his numbers might have been on the plus side. It's obvious we need Caupain, Ellis, and Clark as many minutes as possible. I would like to see Morman play more minutes with these guys as a group and see what happens.

I completely agree.

 

[cincrulz11]

I'm officially ready for Morman to get more time at the 2 AND 3. He's a GREAT defender, a pretty good passer, he's confident, aggressive, and has heart, pride, energy. He's a throw back BEARCAT!

This team SORELY needs a guy like that on the court to get them (keep them) fired up. He fires me up as a fan!

he has to play within the system though. he doesn't do that. i think we can all agree we can see the potential in him, he just has to grasp what his job is.

 

[HoosierCat]

he has to play within the system though. he doesn't do that. i think we can all agree we can see the potential in him, he just has to grasp what his job is.

I agree, but I thought he did a better job at that last night. Deberry also has to be a better rebounder, he was getting boxed out on the defensive glass.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

he has to play within the system though. he doesn't do that. i think we can all agree we can see the potential in him, he just has to grasp what his job is.

Ellis doesn't always play within the system on defense.
Shaq doesn't play within any system ever.
When the 2 upperclassmen at the 3 combine for 0, I say screw the system. Unless Morman goes rogue and is directly responsible for allowing 12 when he scores 11, you have to let him play. The second Shaq or Sanders get beat one time, they have negative value bc they contribute 0. The only way for Morman to learn and grow is to get out there. I don't want to use the "he's not ready yet" excuse next year bc we chose this year to give all the minutes to older guys who give us absolutely nothing.

 

[waterhead]

Here are some interesting +/- stats from the Memphis game. This is the amount of points we gained or lost while each player was in the game. I think it clearly shows one of the main problems might be substitution patterns.

+/- for the starting 5

TC...-7
GC...+5
OE...0
KJ...0
ST...0

A combined -2 (not too bad)

5 non starters

JS...-6
Moore...-10
Debarry...-13
Cobb...-15
Morman...-19

A combined -63


Now of course I am not pointing out one player but how the players were used together that seems to be the problem. The stats for UConn weren't available but I wouldn't doubt if the same pattern showed up. I think LD must do a better job of substitutions...we can't go through spurts where we get killed because too many of our key guys are on the bench.

I hate to say this but I think we need about 35+ minutes out of Caupain in tight games. I would like to see 32+ from Ellis and Clark. Let them get rest against the teams we are blowing out. Go with the hot hand at the 2 and 3 spots. We can't beat good teams on the road without them because our production drops off when they aren't in the game. We need at least two of those guys on the court all the times. I don't think we can sit them at the same time like we have done...we get killed when that happens.

 

[Mcginnjw]

Ellis doesn't always play within the system on defense.
Shaq doesn't play within any system ever.
When the 2 upperclassmen at the 3 combine for 0, I say screw the system. Unless Morman goes rogue and is directly responsible for allowing 12 when he scores 11, you have to let him play. The second Shaq or Sanders get beat one time, they have negative value bc they contribute 0. The only way for Morman to learn and grow is to get out there. I don't want to use the "he's not ready yet" excuse next year bc we chose this year to give all the minutes to older guys who give us absolutely nothing.

I agree and it seems the coaching staff does also. Sanders is barely playing for a senior.

 

[cincrulz11]

When the 2 upperclassmen at the 3 combine for 0, I say screw the system.

Just no. The system is there for a reason. You can say Shaq and Sanders give nothing, but it's not true. At the very least Shaq gives you rebounds. Morman had 0 in 18 minutes. Can't happen for a SF.

 

[waterhead]

I didn't get the numbers for UConn but here are numbers for ECU.

Starters +/-

TC...22
GC...22
OE...22
JS...15
KJ...19

Totalled up +100

Non starters +/-

FC...1
DM...7
CD...-3
ST...4
QM...0

Totalled up +9


As you can plainly see we are as bad as ECU when our starters are NOT in the game and basically as good as almost any team in our league when they are. Specifically TC, GC, and OE are the common denominator of good play.

I don't care who you put in with those three guys at the 2 and 3 positions they will look better. And we absolutely cannot have them all on the bench for long stretches of time...the other team (ANY team) will beat almost any other combination of our players while those guys are out.

 

[waterhead]

I think if Cobb and Morman played with Caupain, Ellis, and Clark...they would be our next most productive two players.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Just no. The system is there for a reason. You can say Shaq and Sanders give nothing, but it's not true. At the very least Shaq gives you rebounds. Morman had 0 in 18 minutes. Can't happen for a SF.

I'd rather have a guy at SF get 0 reb and 11 points than 0 points and 2 rebounds. Not sure Shaq's rebounding "prowess" outweighs his lack of everything else. He only averages 2.5 defensive rebounds per game anyway. That is less than Caupain.

 

[cincrulz11]

I'd rather have a guy at SF get 0 reb and 11 points than 0 points and 2 rebounds. Not sure Shaq's rebounding "prowess" outweighs his lack of everything else. He only averages 2.5 defensive rebounds per game anyway. That is less than Caupain.

And he play less minutes than Caupain (Caupain btw being a great rebounder for a PG.)

Shaq is also a very good offensive rebounder.

Shaq's defensive rebound % is 13.4. Morman's is 4.8. 4.8 is the lowest of any player on the roster. That is a huge problem if he's going to be the guy at the 3.

 

[JackBauer151]

I am still sick over last night. Just laid an absolute egg in a really important game. I have no idea if lineup changes would make a difference or not. I like the idea of Morman cracking the lineup but I'd rather him take KJ's minutes than Shaq's. Morman has shown the ability to knock down an open shot and plays just as good as defense as KJ. KJ just isnt getting it done in the role he is in. I think the change for him could be good. However any change in lineup is meaningless until they stop turning the ball over. Specifically the bigs. They are the strength of our team and they are not even giving themselves a chance to put the ball in the hole. 20 turnovers on the road or at home and you are not gonna win. It's been a problem all year and I'm not sure how it gets fixed.

 

[cincrulz11]

Morman has shown the ability to knock down an open shot and plays just as good as defense as KJ. .

Lets calm down a little on Morman. He was 3-4 from the field last night, but he has not shown the ability to knock down open shots. His .354 FG % is the 2nd lowest on the team, only ahead of Cobb (another guy this board jumped all over after a couple hot games).

 

[jacobkdoyle]

And he play less minutes than Caupain (Caupain btw being a great rebounder for a PG.)

Shaq is also a very good offensive rebounder.

Shaq's defensive rebound % is 13.4. Morman's is 4.8. 4.8 is the lowest of any player on the roster. That is a huge problem if he's going to be the guy at the 3.

What is Shaq doing with his offensive rebounds though? He is 57% on 2.3 FT attempts per game, 40% FG and 0.5 ast per game on the year. Those numbers don't really seem to significantly connect to anything else in his or anyone else's stats. I mean, he has 3 less FT made than Morman in 180 more minutes. Plus, Morman has had limited minutes, which are even more limited in a 3 guard lineup. No surprise that his rebounding numbers are low. He doesn't have the sample size that Shaq does. I'm sorry but if you have started 50 games in your career and are still having games (plural) with 0 points, you can't play. Shaq's "strong suit" is playing in the open court, but Morman is better than him at that too.

 

[nkywestside]

Just no. The system is there for a reason. You can say Shaq and Sanders give nothing, but it's not true. At the very least Shaq gives you rebounds. Morman had 0 in 18 minutes. Can't happen for a SF.

Yet, in close to 340 minutes played all year our Starting 2 guard has yet to record an Offensive rebound. I swear a Dead man could get atleast 1. Morman is a Hybrid 2-3 and with increased minutes I believe he would become a 4-5 rebound guy by virtue of his attitude and desire.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I vote 3 guard lineup. Caupain and Morman creating means less of the bigs trying to create for themselves, which means less TO.