Next years team

[coachpipe]

Hopefully Shaq really steps his game up next year. If that happens I would say he might be the first for a 20 pt. game. Honestly with the way the roster is shaped now and so many questions and position battles I wouldn't be surprised if no one got to 20 in a game and scoring being very balanced. History and logic kind of dictate that some players will step up and others not though.

I think DeBerry will be the first to a double double. If not then Ellis.

I agree with this. I really want it to be Shaq for the sole reason that its his 4th year with the team and every fan wants to see him turn that corner. However unless he gets stronger I dont see him getting a double double in rebounds, I dont see him getting 10 ast in a game.

Caupain with his ability to rebound and pass really well has me thinking he could get 10 rebounds or assists in a game this year and I really hope we see this.

But those are who I want more than anything. As far as who I THINK will get a double double. I would have to say for me, it would be someone in the post with the ability to go get some rebounds. Thinking possibly Deberry or Ellis as well

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

The best player on this team next year will be TC with KJ not far behind.

TC was 17 when the season was a couple of months old.he saw major minutes and did more then held his own. The experience and another year in college weight room will pay big dividends for him. He is long,has a nice shot,makes FT's and has shown he can get to the rim. He also can rebound. If he improves defensively which he should, he will be fun to watch.

KJ was stuck behind SK. He plays tuff D, his jumper really improved and he wasn't afraid to take a big shot. He really showed that the game wasn't to big for him. He also played D.

These two will be huge keys to our team next year.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I agree with this. I really want it to be Shaq for the sole reason that its his 4th year with the team and every fan wants to see him turn that corner. However unless he gets stronger I dont see him getting a double double in rebounds, I dont see him getting 10 ast in a game.

Caupain with his ability to rebound and pass really well has me thinking he could get 10 rebounds or assists in a game this year and I really hope we see this.

But those are who I want more than anything. As far as who I THINK will get a double double. I would have to say for me, it would be someone in the post with the ability to go get some rebounds. Thinking possibly Deberry or Ellis as well

I wouldnt be totally shocked if Caupain got a triple double here someday. He was a rebounding machine in HS and deveroes. My sleeper double-double pick will be Sanders though. The more he gets brought up, the more I think he will start over Ellis this year in a small lineup. If that JJ senior year tenacity/mean streak gets in him even a little, he could have a couple nice rebounding games. He had a nice double-double with 13 boards vs Chicago St last year.

 

[rogerOH]

first to 20 pts cobb- first double/double clark both off the bench in mop up roll against weak teams

 

[IDC]

Someone said earlier Sanders played minutes he didn't deserve. Couldn't be farther from the truth. Mick can rely on him. He's not exciting like Shaq but he'll do his job, and he earned his minutes. I expect him to take a big leap this year.

Before Lawrence left, I would have guessed like others that Moore is a redshirt, but now that we have Deberry, Strickland, Ellis and Clark as the bigs, all of which are unproven, i don't think Mick wants to limit his options.

Mick has also said previously he wants 5 bigs, so I don't see leaving himself shorthanded again.

Whoever said Shaq could be in trouble I agree with. With Sanders being a senior, if he takes the jump I think he will, Shaq will be the one who's minutes are cut. Hopefully Shaq takes the same leap I hope Sanders takes, and it's a 20-20 minutes split at the 3.

 

[Ryno99]

For this team to be successful next year they are going to need to be truly unselfish and share the ball, spreading points around to the open man, or the man that has the best advantage in any given game or situation. This should allow for more of a flow on offense which would be a welcome change.

 

[waterhead]

Debarry, Strickland, Ellis, Moore
Ellis, Clark, Moore
Thomas, Sanders, Clark, Mormon
Johnson, Cobb, Guyn, Mormon
Caupain, Guyn, Cobb


If Moore doesn't come in with a high motor and work ethic he could end up red-shirting until he gets it. If he get's it right away I would move him up the depth chart real quick. He's got the perfect tools to play 4 for us

 

[Bearcatboy]

Debarry, Strickland, Ellis, Moore
Ellis, Clark, Moore
Thomas, Sanders, Clark, Mormon
Johnson, Cobb, Guyn, Mormon
Caupain, Guyn, Cobb


If Moore doesn't come in with a high motor and work ethic he could end up red-shirting until he gets it. If he get's it right away I would move him up the depth chart real quick. He's got the perfect tools to play 4 for us

Too young

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Can someone who thinks Moore is going to redshirt explain that to me? It just keeps coming up. I get for anyone's individual career they could benefit from a year out. But I dont understand it when looking at our roster and the team standpoint. Last year we had no inside depth. Mick hated it. We have 5 big guys now and they are all new. Mick said 5 is good (and mentioned the idea of 6 actually without ever saying 4). DeBerry's conditioning is a concern, is it not? How many minutes per game did he play at Hutch last year? Strickland is a freshman who had knee issues in HS and didnt play or practice with the team last year. How many minutes can he play? Clark is a freshman who isnt going to give us stretches of dominant post play. He is going to be a great player, but he isnt a legit 20 mpg big man yet. And Ellis is another juco. So what am I missing? Why, when considering last year, Mick's comments, and the current roster, are people still talking about sitting Moore? He is going to have to play some minutes. Even if he isnt ready, we still need his body off the bench. I dont see how there could be any question about that. So maybe this year ends up as a "waste" for Moore. Oh well. We dont lose any big men and he has 3 more years. Using 1 of his 4 years of eligibility doesnt put us in a pinch at all, but redshirtting him could. So why do it?

 

[waterhead]

Can someone who thinks Moore is going to redshirt explain that to me? It just keeps coming up. I get for anyone's individual career they could benefit from a year out. But I dont understand it when looking at our roster and the team standpoint. Last year we had no inside depth. Mick hated it. We have 5 big guys now and they are all new. Mick said 5 is good (and mentioned the idea of 6 actually without ever saying 4). DeBerry's conditioning is a concern, is it not? How many minutes per game did he play at Hutch last year? Strickland is a freshman who had knee issues in HS and didnt play or practice with the team last year. How many minutes can he play? Clark is a freshman who isnt going to give us stretches of dominant post play. He is going to be a great player, but he isnt a legit 20 mpg big man yet. And Ellis is another juco. So what am I missing? Why, when considering last year, Mick's comments, and the current roster, are people still talking about sitting Moore? He is going to have to play some minutes. Even if he isnt ready, we still need his body off the bench. I dont see how there could be any question about that. So maybe this year ends up as a "waste" for Moore. Oh well. We dont lose any big men and he has 3 more years. Using 1 of his 4 years of eligibility doesnt put us in a pinch at all, but redshirtting him could. So why do it?

I am not saying he is going to redshirt...just that I could see it. If he is not a loafer I don't see it happening (because he has the body and the skills)...but I've heard he has been known to take it easy on occasion and that won't fly with Mick. I get a completely different feeling from Clark...he is high energy. The other bigs won't redshirt...so maybe nobody will. I hope nobody does.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I am not saying he is going to redshirt...just that I could see it. If he is not a loafer I don't see it happening (because he has the body and the skills)...but I've heard he has been known to take it easy on occasion and that won't fly with Mick. I get a completely different feeling from Clark...he is high energy. The other bigs won't redshirt...so maybe nobody will. I hope nobody does.

You still say you can see it though...thats what im trying to figure out. Every reason I hear for him sitting out is an individual reason. We need 5 fouls and a big body on the bench. Nothing else matters.

 

[L-T]

The only thing you can predict about Mick's rotation is that it will be unpredictable. You should have learned that this past season. None of us have a clue.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

The only thing you can predict about Mick's rotation is that it will be unpredictable. You should have learned that this past season. None of us have a clue.

You dont consider the head coach saying himself that he wants 5 big men to be a clue? What was so unpredictable about last years rotation? The lack of depth (especially down low) made the rotation pretty obvious actually.

 

[Bearcatboy]

You dont consider the head coach saying himself that he wants 5 big men to be a clue? What was so unpredictable about last years rotation? The lack of depth (especially down low) made the rotation pretty obvious actually.

You said yourself yesterday that you think Sanders will start at the 4 which I do to so you have Sanders and Ellis at the 4 so probably 15 to 20 minutes each then you have Deberry and Strickland at the 5 at 15 to 20 minutes each so where is Moore going to fit? At the 4 or 5 spot for 3 minutes a game NO you redshirt him and get him bigger and stronger WITHOUT WASTING a year of playing time.
You can always put Ellis in spot 5 minutes and Thomas in spot 4 minutes there not playing time you can NOT play each player 10 minuets you can't get into a game rhythm like that.

Plus there's nothing that says you can't redshirt Moore to start the year and another big get hurt then let Moore play, you are allowed to take someone off redshirt.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

You said yourself yesterday that you think Sanders will start at the 4 which I do to so you have Sanders and Ellis at the 4 so probably 15 to 20 minutes each then you have Deberry and Strickland at the 5 at 15 to 20 minutes each so where is Moore going to fit? At the 4 or 5 spot for 3 minutes a game NO you redshirt him and get him bigger and stronger WITHOUT WASTING a year of playing time.
You can always put Ellis in spot 5 minutes and Thomas in spot 4 minutes there not playing time you can NOT play each player 10 minuets you can't get into a game rhythm like that.

Plus there's nothing that says you can't redshirt Moore to start the year and another big get hurt then let Moore play, you are allowed to take someone off redshirt.

I dont even know where to start here.

You say we shouldnt waste a year on Moore and say it in all caps. Then the next paragraph you propose redshirtting him then possibly taking it off in the middle of the year if we need him? Like that wouldnt be a bigger waste?

And I think Sanders will start in a small lineup, not play 20 minutes at the 4. Please note that difference.

Go listen to Mick's last radio show again. He talks about going either 7-6 guards to bigs or now maybe 8-5. No mention of 4. So why do you think that you know so much beyond those crystal clear comments?

You just arent accounting for foul trouble either. At all. Moore's role this year might be to sit on the bench and come in to give Strickland a break if DeBerry is in foul trouble. It might be 7 minutes a game, every other game. Nothing glamerous, but not a waste. Sometimes thats the role of a freshman big man. You act like Quadri Moore getting very limited minutes, or not being ready to dominate his freshman year would be so unacceptable that he needs to sit out a full season. But why would we limit ourselves? We were limited last year and now we have the players to fix it. Assuming Ellis, DeBerry and Strickland can play 15-20 minutes+ every single game is idiotic.

I think I smell another friendly wager here, bc Mick isnt going with 4 bigs. You dont know more than the coach. So when he says 5 big guys, who are you to say he doesnt even know hes wrong and hell end up with 4?

 

[waterhead]

You dont consider the head coach saying himself that he wants 5 big men to be a clue? What was so unpredictable about last years rotation? The lack of depth (especially down low) made the rotation pretty obvious actually.

Why do you think Mick saying he wants 5 bigs on the roster to mean that he wants to be playing all 5? He wants enough guys to make sure he can field a good team. He wants to make sure he doesn't have too many Gaines or Nyarcuks or McLains. You are likely going to have at least 1 guy that doesn't pan out...or needs more time. It's a depth thing...it doesn't mean he wants to split minutes between 5 bigs.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Why do you think Mick saying he wants 5 bigs on the roster to mean that he wants to be playing all 5? He wants enough guys to make sure he can field a good team. He wants to make sure he doesn't have too many Gaines or Nyarcuks or McLains. You are likely going to have at least 1 guy that doesn't pan out...or needs more time. It's a depth thing...it doesn't mean he wants to split minutes between 5 bigs.

I dont think he wants to split minutes between 5 bigs. I think he wants a 5th big on the bench in case he needs it in certain games/situations. Just bc a guy isnt it the regular rotation doesnt mean you automatically slap a redshirt on him. Moore might be ahead of Strickland on the depth chart anyway.

 

[waterhead]

Why do you think Mick saying he wants 5 bigs on the roster to mean that he wants to be playing all 5? He wants enough guys to make sure he can field a good team. He wants to make sure he doesn't have too many Gaines or Nyarcuks or McLains. You are likely going to have at least 1 guy that doesn't pan out...or needs more time. It's a depth thing...it doesn't mean he wants to split minutes between 5 bigs.

Out of 13 guys on the roster you are not going to play all 13. Maybe 10. That would mean maybe 6 guards/wings and 4 bigs. Two guards/wings probably going to ride a lot of pine and one big. If we only have 12 guys then 1 big will probably sit and 1-2 guards/wings.

 

[waterhead]

I dont think he wants to split minutes between 5 bigs. I think he wants a 5th big on the bench in case he needs it in certain games/situations. Just bc a guy isnt it the regular rotation doesnt mean you automatically slap a redshirt on him. Moore might be ahead of Strickland on the depth chart anyway.

I am not slapping a redshirt on anyone. Geesh. I am not saying it's likely either. If there would be a redshirt I just think he would be my most likely that's it. There are 3 bigs that won't or can't. The other one would be Clark and I think he's got the type of playing attitude that Mick likes...high motor. That is all I am basing it on.

I hope we redshirt no one...nor am I saying we will. However, if we do, every other player will be juco, already redshirted, or have playing experience already...except Clark and Moore.

 

[Bearcatboy]

I dont even know where to start here.

You say we shouldnt waste a year on Moore and say it in all caps. Then the next paragraph you propose redshirtting him then possibly taking it off in the middle of the year if we need him? Like that wouldnt be a bigger waste?

And I think Sanders will start in a small lineup, not play 20 minutes at the 4. Please note that difference.

Go listen to Mick's last radio show again. He talks about going either 7-6 guards to bigs or now maybe 8-5. No mention of 4. So why do you think that you know so much beyond those crystal clear comments?

You just arent accounting for foul trouble either. At all. Moore's role this year might be to sit on the bench and come in to give Strickland a break if DeBerry is in foul trouble. It might be 7 minutes a game, every other game. Nothing glamerous, but not a waste. Sometimes thats the role of a freshman big man. You act like Quadri Moore getting very limited minutes, or not being ready to dominate his freshman year would be so unacceptable that he needs to sit out a full season. But why would we limit ourselves? We were limited last year and now we have the players to fix it. Assuming Ellis, DeBerry and Strickland can play 15-20 minutes+ every single game is idiotic.

I think I smell another friendly wager here, bc Mick isnt going with 4 bigs. You dont know more than the coach. So when he says 5 big guys, who are you to say he doesnt even know hes wrong and hell end up with 4?

Redshirting Moore is not a waste when he's getting better and stronger what is a waste is playing him 5 minutes a game and lowering his confidence on the bench.

The part about pulling his redshirt is to you being concerned we won't have enough bigs all year.

And who's to say Mick won't start the year with a 4 gaurs lineup with sanders at the 4 then why do we need 5 bigs for 11/2 spots? Also I def think Deberry, Ellis, sanders, Strickland will all average ATLEAST 15 minutes a game.