But we did go 10-21 on 3s. And we had them at 38 points with like 7 or 8 minutes left.
Jacob, I don't know what game you were watching. We never got near a 38 point lead. The largest lead was 26 (61-35) at 8:57 of the 2nd half.
We didn't bring the same intensity all 40 minutes. That's the main bad thing I saw. They started 1-11 from 3 bc we closed out better (that team shoots over 39% from 3 on the year on over 18 attempts). We shared the ball very well and our big guys were active.
Jacob, I don't know what game you were watching. We never got near a 38 point lead. The largest lead was 26 (61-35) at 8:57 of the 2nd half.
Thankfully, I don't have to go re-watch that mess again. The UC website has the play by play summary. Here is the "empirical data".
Subs were brought in at 13:28 of the first half with the score at 17-4. In other words, the starters had only scored 2 points in the next 4 minutes after the 15-0 run in the first 3:32.
The subs played 3:25 and starters came back in at 10:05. Score was 23-11, therefore, subs lost 6-7 while they were in.
Starters played till 4:24 or 5 mins. 41 secs. Score was 28-19, therefore starters lost 5-8....scoring only 5 points in over 5 mins.
There was some sporadic subbing in the last 4:24 (some subs playing with some starters). Score at half was 34-26. Mixed team lost 6-7 in those remaining minutes
In the second half, the starters pretty much played until 7:42 when the 2nd team came in. Score was 61-38. Starters won 27-12 for those 12+ minutes.
Subs played 1 minute 50 secs. till 5:52. Score was 61-43, therefore subs lost 0-5.
For the remaining 5:52, there were starters and subs playing together. But, Caupain, Clark, Ellis, and Cobb were all still in at the end. Final score was 75-59, so the mixed team lost 14-16 in the final 5:52.
Seriously? You think I thought we were up by 38? I was saying they only scored 38 on us at that point.
We are going to see a bunch of zone this year. Penetration against zones is not easy. The zone is designed to stop it and make you shoot over the top. Our offense approach was good. Gary was unstoppable inside and when they collapsed on him Cobb knocked down jumpers. Guys we are going to see lots of Zone this year. Why because we are not shooting the ball well. We also don't offensive rebound well. One issue I have with Shaq is with his athletism he should be having field days with crashing the boards from the weak side. high ball screens against zones is not the way to attack.I came away from last nights game extremely underwhelmed and rather disappointed.
If our only offense in the half court is toss it around 30 feet from the bucket and then try to throw it to a big guy and let them do all the work, we will be screwed. We didn't even do it that well vs Norfolk, what happens when good teams double us down low and stuff (like x did).
I don't know why we refuse to try to penetrate. We set a high ball screen with Ellis or Clark, but it's not in an attempt to penetrate, we kick it to the wing and then try to go down low. I mean that's fine if it isn't the only play you have.
I want to see the offense improve. The ball movement is obviously better this year than in past years, but more steps need to be taken. Our spacing and penetration game has to get better.
We are going to see a bunch of zone this year. Penetration against zones is not easy. The zone is designed to stop it and make you shoot over the top. Our offense approach was good. Gary was unstoppable inside and when they collapsed on him Cobb knocked down jumpers. Guys we are going to see lots of Zone this year. Why because we are not shooting the ball well. We also don't offensive rebound well. One issue I have with Shaq is with his athletism he should be having field days with crashing the boards from the weak side. high ball screens against zones is not the way to attack.
I understand. My comment was made in part because people need to realize that when people play zone it will cut down on penetration. it may also be noted that when cup cakes come in they are going to employ a slow down approach to the game to limit our touches. There is film on us out there now. Sound familiar? Saying we should have won by 50 is not accurate. We dominated that game with our first teamers. Two players who have been struggling had monster games. The area I would like to see us build on is as coach mentioned keep our foot on the pedal and play hard for 40 minutes.I know we went through a cold spell in shooting but I am honestly not worried about outside shooting. We have enough shooters for someone to be hot on any given night. Would be nice to have 2 guys hitting a decent %.
They just need to be in position when they fire. When we shoot in position we can knock down 40%. When we force it a little we tend to struggle.
I understand. My comment was made in part because people need to realize that when people play zone it will cut down on penetration. it may also be noted that when cup cakes come in they are going to employ a slow down approach to the game to limit our touches. There is film on us out there now. Sound familiar? Saying we should have won by 50 is not accurate. We dominated that game with our first teamers. Two players who have been struggling had monster games. The area I would like to see us build on is as coach mentioned keep our foot on the pedal and play hard for 40 minutes.
My bad!
If NKU with a 1-6 record two days earlier can defeat Norfolk State by 21 points, with 9 players playing double-digit minutes, saying a top 25 team should have won by 50 is not saying a whole lot. I'm sure they had film of the 1-6 team as well, but the 1-6 team still scored 81 points and held Norfolk State to about the same points that we did.....and letting their subs play considerable minutes.
Comparing games by final score is using extremely flawed logic. Norfolk State hasn't lost by more than 22 to anyone and they've played some decent teams. No one on earth thinks we'd lose to NKU, so to use their final margin against ours is pointless. They beat Norfolk State by 21? Good for them. That has nothing to do with us.
Comparing games by final score is using extremely flawed logic. Norfolk State hasn't lost by more than 22 to anyone and they've played some decent teams. No one on earth thinks we'd lose to NKU, so to use their final margin against ours is pointless. They beat Norfolk State by 21? Good for them. That has nothing to do with us.
I'm happy that we had a 15-0 run, then later a stretch where we outscored them 31-9. I'm happy that we made an effort to get it in the middle vs a zone bc our big guys played with confidence and were very active. I'm happy that Mick let the subs play through some mistakes. We want those guys to play more to help rest our main guys, well it isn't always going to be beautiful. Especially when they haven't had those kind of minutes in game action lately. We could've kept our starters in more and kept our shortened rotation and won by 30. But what's the point? We whine incessantly (me included) about player development. Well last night was a good step for a guy like Jenifer. He was allowed to play meaningful 1st half minutes. I value that much more than cherry picking the final margin when it was obvious to anyone who watched that we were in complete control. We were also over our season average in possessions, despite playing a team that ranks 326 in the country in tempo.
We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one. The RPI factors in margin of victory and all your opponents margins of victory, opponents records, etc. A 16 point victory over this team is god-awful. As I mentioned, NKU played their subs as well. This game had to have hurt our computer rankings. On a bad night, we should have beat that team by 35-40. Huggs beat NKU 107-61. WVU is close to us in the polls. NKU than beat NS by 21. Any way you cut it, that score looks bad. I saw some good things last night, but nowhere near the great stuff some are describing. Keep in mind, I was throwing out superlatives about this team, including Final 4 possibilities, for the first 3-4 weeks, so I would love to be back in that mindset. I've spoken to no less than about 8 different people at work who saw that game, and nobody is happy. But, if you are, great! Let's beat VCU!
We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one. The RPI factors in margin of victory and all your opponents margins of victory, opponents records, etc. A 16 point victory over this team is god-awful. As I mentioned, NKU played their subs as well. This game had to have hurt our computer rankings. On a bad night, we should have beat that team by 35-40. Huggs beat NKU 107-61. WVU is close to us in the polls. NKU than beat NS by 21. Any way you cut it, that score looks bad. I saw some good things last night, but nowhere near the great stuff some are describing. Keep in mind, I was throwing out superlatives about this team, including Final 4 possibilities, for the first 3-4 weeks, so I would love to be back in that mindset. I've spoken to no less than about 8 different people at work who saw that game, and nobody is happy. But, if you are, great! Let's beat VCU!