Xavier fan here.

[C I N C Y]

Don't worry guys X is going after Kyle Anderson ( number one point guard for 2012). There fans acutally believe that they have a chance with him. Hilarious.

Dee Davis is average at best. He is tiny and cannot shoot that great.
Wells is a stud I will give them that.
There 2010 class sucks minus a decent player in Martin ( who would be at Louisville if they wanted him and had the grades)
Griffen Mckenzie should being playing division 2 baksetball
Jordan Lathum?? How can this guy not get minutes with there lack of depth.
Jay Canty? Roll player
I thought he was a big time recruit according to X.
2009 is awful with Jeff Robinson who got dumped by Purdue

I would take one player on there roster over the players on are team and that is Tu Tu. By the way he wound up at X because Sampson got busted at IU

 

[MDW79]

Don't worry guys X is going after Kyle Anderson ( number one point guard for 2012). There fans acutally believe that they have a chance with him. Hilarious.

Dee Davis is average at best. He is tiny and cannot shoot that great.
Wells is a stud I will give them that.
There 2010 class sucks minus a decent player in Martin ( who would be at Louisville if they wanted him and had the grades)
Griffen Mckenzie should being playing division 2 baksetball
Jordan Lathum?? How can this guy not get minutes with there lack of depth.
Jay Canty? Roll player
I thought he was a big time recruit according to X.
2009 is awful with Jeff Robinson who got dumped by Purdue

I would take one player on there roster over the players on are team and that is Tu Tu. By the way he wound up at X because Sampson got busted at IU

^^^

X will NEVER be in play for the major recruits. I don't care what they do. Their conference television contract sucks, and the level of competition for a high-major recruit could very well hinder their development. Hell, Butler went to the title game and that one kid (Zeller? Brother plays for UNC) spurned them for IU so quick it would make your head spin. That Zeller kid never had any real intention of going to Butler, no way. I believe they were a DISTANT 3rd. Butler-Title game, IU losing record, and look where he picks. Just like no kids will really consider X.

I think we all know DSR de-committed for one reason, he started getting a whole lot of attention from REAL programs. Simple as that. UL, UK come a calling, and you're a X commit, you can get out the door fast enough. And who can blame them? If I had any real aspirations of playing in the league and I'm looking at that schedule, I'm thinking "Get me out of here." Lasalle, Duquesne, Fordham, St Bonnaventure, GW, Charlotte (I'm literally smiling as I'm typing this. What a list of turds) I'm also wondering when the hell I ever get to be on TV, and how exactly, say, posting up guys 3 inches shorter than me, and 40 pounds lighter, is going to make me a better player. Or maybe dunking on a kid with a 28inch vert when I have a 40inch. The A10 is a JOKE.

That is why Eggs will never be a major program, and never successfully recruit major kids. Period. It's the honest truth. Recently, their only real hope is via transfer (Holloway-IU, Crawford-IU, Lavender-OU)

 

[TheLongHaul]

Don't worry guys X is going after Kyle Anderson ( number one point guard for 2012). There fans acutally believe that they have a chance with him. Hilarious.

Dee Davis is average at best. He is tiny and cannot shoot that great.
Wells is a stud I will give them that.
There 2010 class sucks minus a decent player in Martin ( who would be at Louisville if they wanted him and had the grades)
Griffen Mckenzie should being playing division 2 baksetball
Jordan Lathum?? How can this guy not get minutes with there lack of depth.
Jay Canty? Roll player
I thought he was a big time recruit according to X.
2009 is awful with Jeff Robinson who got dumped by Purdue

I would take one player on there roster over the players on are team and that is Tu Tu. By the way he wound up at X because Sampson got busted at IU

Wells is good but he is undersized and can't shoot. He is far from a stud IMO.

 

[DontMissHim]

^^^so you dont think the guys that are committed to Xavier are no better then what they had coming in 6 years ago? come on.

MDW--it would do nothing to Xaviers OOC schedule if they dropped UC. Or do you actually believe the last 5 years the game has done some serious help in getting Xavier the seed they got?! Not a chance- losing on the other hand? yeah that hurts the seed.


Also MD- I think the class thing comes with who ever has been better. Xavier had a lot of class when UC dominated because they couldnt trash talk- had nothing to say. Now Xavier has dominated UC has the better class?--let me ask you this question: When UC was dominate- did you care that Xavier fans would make fun of the class?

 

[MDW79]

^^^so you dont think the guys that are committed to Xavier are no better then what they had coming in 6 years ago? come on.

MDW--it would do nothing to Xaviers OOC schedule if they dropped UC. Or do you actually believe the last 5 years the game has done some serious help in getting Xavier the seed they got?! Not a chance- losing on the other hand? yeah that hurts the seed.


Also MD- I think the class thing comes with who ever has been better. Xavier had a lot of class when UC dominated because they couldnt trash talk- had nothing to say. Now Xavier has dominated UC has the better class?--let me ask you this question: When UC was dominate- did you care that Xavier fans would make fun of the class?

You're assuming that our team will continue to be as good (bad) as they were the last 5 years? That makes very little sense. I would think X can use all of the top 100 games they schedule in the OOC, ESPECIALLY one where they get a home and home. Ex: This year we're currently, I believe, at 59 and who knows where we end up. I guess X would rather drop that and then go play on the road at, say, Maryland, Georgia Tech, USC every year?

On the flip side, we literally don't need the game at all. We need no real help in the OOC, b/c we play in the best conference in the country. (Again, X needs quality games in the OOC)

Funny thing, when UC was good I don't remember our fans taking personal shots at Pete Gillian's marriage, or how Skip Prosser's wife looked, or making borderline rascist remarks. I also don't remember them really caring that much to spew such hatred. In actuality, I remember much of the same. X fans ripping student athletes, taking personal shot at KIDS, and making borderline racist statements. I guess some things never change. Maybe I'm mis-remembering though.

 

[Kingsley Court]

You're assuming that our team will continue to be as good (bad) as they were the last 5 years? That makes very little sense. I would think X can use all of the top 100 games they schedule in the OOC, ESPECIALLY one where they get a home and home. Ex: This year we're currently, I believe, at 59 and who knows where we end up. I guess X would rather drop that and then go play on the road at, say, Maryland, Georgia Tech, USC every year?

On the flip side, we literally don't need the game at all. We need no real help in the OOC, b/c we play in the best conference in the country. (Again, X needs quality games in the OOC)

Funny thing, when UC was good I don't remember our fans taking personal shots at Pete Gillian's marriage, or how Skip Prosser's wife looked, or making borderline rascist remarks. I also don't remember them really caring that much to spew such hatred. In actuality, I remember much of the same. X fans ripping student athletes, taking personal shot at KIDS, and making borderline racist statements. I guess some things never change. Maybe I'm mis-remembering though.

I'm kind of surprised how pissed off UC fans are getting at that.

 

[MDW79]

I'm kind of surprised how pissed off UC fans are getting at that.

Two reasons for me:

One, that's bs chickenshit stuff to bring up about a rival coach. It is classless, and really has no place on a public forum, for all to see, IMHO. I've seen Duke do much of the same, and I feel the same way. When you actually make a racial remark, or talk about anything and everything other than basketball, that's where i think it's too much.

Two, and here's the kicker, it makes all that much worse when it comes from a fanbase that thumbs their nose and looks down on our kids, our program, our fans. It's hypocrisy at it's finest, it's actually well beyond that.

They act like their program is comprised of certain types of people, quality people, and has been for years. When it's all bs, always has been. Their program is comprised of a bunch of aholes, a bunch of players that are no better or worse than anyone else, and people who rip waterfountains out of the wall of other people's gym after a loss, a coach who acts like a raging lunatic. But they'll tell you they have higher standards, all the while, ripping our coaches former wife. That aint cool IMO.

 

[DontMissHim]

You're assuming that our team will continue to be as good (bad) as they were the last 5 years? That makes very little sense. I would think X can use all of the top 100 games they schedule in the OOC, ESPECIALLY one where they get a home and home. Ex: This year we're currently, I believe, at 59 and who knows where we end up. I guess X would rather drop that and then go play on the road at, say, Maryland, Georgia Tech, USC every year?

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Im hoping not- and expecting them to be better. Though I don't think UC will be a shoe-in for the NCAA tournament every year for the next 5. I really was just kidding about not playing the game- Kind of thought it would get on peoples nerves.

 

[ralph1950]

"Time to get some things straight. 1- Xavier owns this city- and has for years. (When was the last time UC made the sweet 16?...let alone the tournament?!). Xavier has been to the elite 8 twice and sweet 16 twice since UC has won a game in the NCAA tournament..."

All I can say is "hogwash".

What XU fans do not get, which was stated very correctly in BH's book Pressed for Success, is that no matter how many games XU wins they will always be the second team in the city. UC has won 2 NCAA Tourneys, UC has Oscar, UC has about 200,000 bandwagon jumpers, they are starting to come out of the woodwork now. UC has "Cincinnati" on its jersey. Xavier has never, and will never own the city, Xavier will always be an after thought. UC t-shirts, jerseys, etc., etc., outsell XU stuff every year, call the sporting goods stores and ask them. The City of Cincinnati has been, and will always be, the town of its largest employer, the town of the school that bears it name, THE University of Cincinnati.

 

[ralph1950]

Xavier is in no way going back to "mediocrity". Next years team will be really good with another great shot at a sweet 16. With losing Love, and especially Crawford, then Martin and Redford (Xaviers two best shooters, Redford can at least help spread the floor and is a threat to hit 3's...dont really have that this year) Xavier is going to struggle for sure. Still have a shot at the tournament this season but we have a pretty good recruiting class next year and the year after working on some great talent.

UC is back to success though.

Xavier is very much returning to mediocrity. Chris Mack was a very bad hire. Bobinski blew it big time when he made Mack head coach. The recruiting is now bad, they have lost what was supposed to be their best recruit 2 years running. The XU ship is sinking.

 

[DontMissHim]

Ralph- Im AOK with UC fans bragging about winning the NCAA tournament a million years ago-something for them to hang on to with the lack of success over the last 15 years. Making it past the first weekend just two times in that span. (...not good) You need to hang on to something at that point..

Id rather be successful now then look back at National Championships way back in the day...correct me if im wrong- they still had the baskets for UC championships right?

 

[DontMissHim]

Xavier is very much returning to mediocrity. Chris Mack was a very bad hire. Bobinski blew it big time when he made Mack head coach. The recruiting is now bad, they have lost what was supposed to be their best recruit 2 years running. The XU ship is sinking.

He is a bad coach- He only made it to the sweet 16 his first year- and is bringing in better recruits then ever before.

Also ralph- you were one of the few who said Mick just needs some time- even saying 4 years wasnt enough to tell..but your throwing Mack down after a sweet 16 year as a bad coach?

 

[BearcatAlum1]

^^^

X will NEVER be in play for the major recruits. I don't care what they do. Their conference television contract sucks, and the level of competition for a high-major recruit could very well hinder their development. Hell, Butler went to the title game and that one kid (Zeller? Brother plays for UNC) spurned them for IU so quick it would make your head spin. That Zeller kid never had any real intention of going to Butler, no way. I believe they were a DISTANT 3rd. Butler-Title game, IU losing record, and look where he picks. Just like no kids will really consider X.

I think we all know DSR de-committed for one reason, he started getting a whole lot of attention from REAL programs. Simple as that. UL, UK come a calling, and you're a X commit, you can get out the door fast enough. And who can blame them? If I had any real aspirations of playing in the league and I'm looking at that schedule, I'm thinking "Get me out of here." Lasalle, Duquesne, Fordham, St Bonnaventure, GW, Charlotte (I'm literally smiling as I'm typing this. What a list of turds) I'm also wondering when the hell I ever get to be on TV, and how exactly, say, posting up guys 3 inches shorter than me, and 40 pounds lighter, is going to make me a better player. Or maybe dunking on a kid with a 28inch vert when I have a 40inch. The A10 is a JOKE.

That is why Eggs will never be a major program, and never successfully recruit major kids. Period. It's the honest truth. Recently, their only real hope is via transfer (Holloway-IU, Crawford-IU, Lavender-OU)

1. I agree re: Zeller. I think he considered Butler, but it takes an unusual kid to be that highly recruited and pick Butler. He was kind to Butler because he is a good kid from a good family.

2. I think most believe DSR may now have the grades to qualify. There were some questions that he would qualify, which likely made Eggsavier appealing to him (Mack is sneaky like this, and there is some fairly objective data to support the fact). Mack built a relationship with them, but even all that time, work and effort was for naught because DSR eventually said, "I'm too good for you."

3. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Big East evolution in the next 3-5-10 years and if certain "basketball only" schools form their own conference. Maybe schools such as: Dayton, Xavier, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, Notre Dame bball only, St. Johns, etc. for their own East Coast bball only league. Just a thought...but that might be Xavier's only chance for a BCS type conference......

4. X will never be in Big10 (OSU will object), Big East (UC won't allow), Pac10 (haha), Big 12. No way for SEC or ACC either. Only chance is to join a new conference that forms.

 

[BearcatAlum1]

He is a bad coach- He only made it to the sweet 16 his first year- and is bringing in better recruits then ever before.

Also ralph- you were one of the few who said Mick just needs some time- even saying 4 years wasnt enough to tell..but your throwing Mack down after a sweet 16 year as a bad coach?

Wrong.

 

[MDW79]

He is a bad coach- He only made it to the sweet 16 his first year- and is bringing in better recruits then ever before.

I don't get the "better recruits" statements that keeps being made. Not even being a dick, but since when is two 3 stars, and a 4 star (outside of the top 50) better than ever before?

 

[DontMissHim]

3. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Big East evolution in the next 3-5-10 years and if certain "basketball only" schools form their own conference. Maybe schools such as: Dayton, Xavier, Marquette, Seton Hall, Providence, Notre Dame bball only, St. Johns, etc. for their own East Coast bball only league. Just a thought...but that might be Xavier's only chance for a BCS type conference......

I think that is Xaviers only chance at going to a "BCS" type conference. I am in the boat that I dont mind being in the A-10 racking up wins (most years) and getting to the tournament. Lets be real- Xavier has had some real bad luck in the tournament the past few years-- OSU hitting the 3 after the non T, (woulda beat 1 seed go on to sweet 16) D brown grabbing ball under 35 seconds left beating Pitt but foot was barely out of bounds-pitt goes drains 3- (woulda been in elite 8 if not). The double OT loss to kansas state to get to elite 8- and then up 6 on Duke with 5 mins left to get to the final four. Xavier is absolutley competing the way I want- in the A-10 as a mid-major. I dont think they would be much better off, if at all, being in a BCS conference.

 

[BearcatAlum1]

I think that is Xaviers only chance at going to a "BCS" type conference. I am in the boat that I dont mind being in the A-10 racking up wins (most years) and getting to the tournament. Lets be real- Xavier has had some real bad luck in the tournament the past few years-- OSU hitting the 3 after the non T, (woulda beat 1 seed go on to sweet 16) D brown grabbing ball under 35 seconds left beating Pitt but foot was barely out of bounds-pitt goes drains 3- (woulda been in elite 8 if not). The double OT loss to kansas state to get to elite 8- and then up 6 on Duke with 5 mins left to get to the final four. Xavier is absolutley competing the way I want- in the A-10 as a mid-major. I dont think they would be much better off, if at all, being in a BCS conference.

I was going to say that Eggs has had some nice draws the last few years.

They typically get to a point that they cannot go any further. There is a reason they haven't got over the hump.

 

[MDW79]

I think that is Xaviers only chance at going to a "BCS" type conference. I am in the boat that I dont mind being in the A-10 racking up wins (most years) and getting to the tournament. Lets be real- Xavier has had some real bad luck in the tournament the past few years-- OSU hitting the 3 after the non T, (woulda beat 1 seed go on to sweet 16) D brown grabbing ball under 35 seconds left beating Pitt but foot was barely out of bounds-pitt goes drains 3- (woulda been in elite 8 if not). The double OT loss to kansas state to get to elite 8- and then up 6 on Duke with 5 mins left to get to the final four. Xavier is absolutley competing the way I want- in the A-10 as a mid-major. I dont think they would be much better off, if at all, being in a BCS conference.

See, I really think that's the difference b/t UC and Xavier. You're content with your current position, which is understandable. But that's a position, that let's be honest, will NEVER include a National Title. Butler was a total fluke, and obviously they still didn't win.

You can say you're happy coasting every year after beating up on the Fordham's of the world, all the way to a 6 seed. And that's cool. If getting every year and playing underdog is your thing, I get that. And I would also expect a reply of "Well, when's the last time you guys won a title??" And that's valid. But here's the thing:

Our conference gives a chance to win a title, it gives a chance to recruit the best of the best. It gives a chance every year to be a 1 seed, 2 seed, perianual top 5 seed. Whether we do it or not, remains seen, but we have a chance, and it's something to strive for. You guys can't even dream of it (If you're realistic) and that's "ok" with you.

That's honestly how I see it.

 

[Thegreatone]

Xavier Tournament Resume:

Final Fours 0
Tournament Record 19-21
Championship Seasons None
Tournament Appearances 21

 

[Thegreatone]

UC's tournament resume:

Final Fours 6
Tournament Record 40-23
Championship Seasons 1961, 1962
Tournament Appearances 24