Xavier fan here.

[DontMissHim]

UC has totally out successed XU. UC has 2 National Championships XU 0. UC has 6 Final 4's XU 0. UC has won 47 crosstown shootouts XU 30.

UC is 14-0 and a top 25 team. XU is 8-4 and unranked.

UC has a great coach who is building a dynasty. XU has a lousy coach who is leading XU down the path to mediocrity.

Will you show me what leads you to this conclusion? It must be missing the tournament every year Mick has been at the helm that leads you to believe he was building a dynasty. Are you kidding me?!

 

[Kingsley Court]

Dayton beat WVU two years ago in First Round. Your point? Maybe you are equal to Dayton...???

Wasn't WVU a better team when X beat them? My point was that X has hung with/beat the best of the Big East come tourney time. I wasn't saying WVU has been the top team in the Big East, but when X played them, they got to the semifinals in the Big East. When X played pitt in the tourney, I believe Pitt was the 2 seed in the Big East tourney.

 

[Kingsley Court]

His statement was true and true, Big East teams do make the final 4 about every year and X will never make the Final 4.

They have made it 4 times since the "new big east." They have had by far the most teams in the tournament since the new big east started, and have had 4 get to the final four. I believe one year they had two in the final four? They haven't had any teams make the championship game.

 

[DontMissHim]

The Big East gets a team to the final four pretty much every year. Two years ago we had 3 of the 4 number one seeds and two teams in the final four. The Big East is by far the best conference in the country year in and year out. I don't want to hear this crap about not winning a championship. The Big East has been to 40 final fours and has won 10 championships. Of all the current Big East members only South Florida has not made a final four. How many teams from the A-10 have been there? I am not sure of the answer but in my lifetime there has not been one final four team from the group that is currently in the A-10. If X played in the Big East they would get pounded. I don't know how old you are but one thing I can guarantee that X will not make the final four in your lifetime.

Xavier has had a lot of success against Big East. Starting by obviously beating UC 10 of the last 14 years. Then in the tournament- they beat Pitt last year--and its the same exact Pitt team from last year that is expecting to be top 3 in the Big east this year. They beat WV to get to the elite 8 and they beat Louisville (though I believe Louisville was still in C-usa the year X got to elite 8 in 04) They all but had Pitt beat two years ago also- Xavier has proven they can play with good Big East teams.

 

[DontMissHim]

They have made it 4 times since the "new big east." They have had by far the most teams in the tournament since the new big east started, and have had 4 get to the final four. I believe one year they had two in the final four? They haven't had any teams make the championship game.

uh-oh!!

 

[C I N C Y]

UC also beat WVU that year by over 20 points at WVU. We have also beat Pitt, Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova, and on and on. Beating a team once does not make you better than that team. If X had to play the teams I mentioned above in back to back to back games they would not be winning much. It is easy to get up for a game when you play virtually no ranked teams all year. The Big East is a grind and one that X would not succeed in.

 

[DontMissHim]

^^^considering it was in the tournament- I would hope those teams were "up" for the game also.

 

[Eastside_J]

Who exactly has X played that was so good?

Iowa, Wake, and Seton Hall are terrible. Butler isn't very good but solid.

Florida and Gonzaga are decent at best and you lost to them.

1 borderline bad loss in ODU and 1 terrible loss to Miami OH.

Not to mention Wofford should have beat X but they won in triple OT and they lost to an Div II team.

Butler just lost to University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee by 24 pts. Butler sucks.

Holloway is a pretty good player. Lyons is a punk. And both of them have shots so "broke" I am thinking about taking my kid with me to show him how not to shoot a jumper.

I know this is the shootout and everything is thrown out the window but Xavier sucks. Lyons is a punk. Frease is a punk. Frease has gotten his head bashed in a couple times by opposing players and deserved every blow.

The only chance X has is to use their punk crap to make the game a melee and get UC players upset. Face it, they shoot like crap and display the lowest basketball IQ I have seen in decades.

In broader terms: Xavier is a shit team in a shit conference who has illegitimately graduated more players than any team in the nation and ironically received a mountain of praise for their deceit.

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Other than that they are a fine program and may the best team win!

 

[DontMissHim]

Other than that they are a fine program and may the best team win!

Thanks dude! As much as you can hate a program-its tough to deny how good one is. Much appreciated

 

[Thegreatone]

Butler just lost to University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee by 24 pts. Butler sucks.

Holloway is a pretty good player. Lyons is a punk. And both of them have shots so "broke" I am thinking about taking my kid with me to show him how not to shoot a jumper.

I know this is the shootout and everything is thrown out the window but Xavier sucks. Lyons is a punk. Frease is a punk. Frease has gotten his head bashed in a couple times by opposing players and deserved every blow.

The only chance X has is to use their punk crap to make the game a melee and get UC players upset. Face it, they shoot like crap and display the lowest basketball IQ I have seen in decades.

In broader terms: Xavier is a shit team in a shit conference who has illegitimately graduated more players than any team in the nation and ironically received a mountain of praise for their deceit.

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Other than that they are a fine program and may the best team win!

Too far.

 

[Thegreatone]

Will you show me what leads you to this conclusion? It must be missing the tournament every year Mick has been at the helm that leads you to believe he was building a dynasty. Are you kidding me?!

Your not giving enough credit to the situation UC was in. Mick had zero shot of making the tournament the first couple years and very little chance the years after that.

I will say I will be extremely disappointed on thursday if we lose. Mick has the better team and we are at home.

 

[ME80]

So, you are going to the "well our conference is good, but to be honest it doesnt really mean we have a better shot at winning it all considering zero teams have since we have joined the big east" debate?

There is something to be said about doing whatever it takes to get to the tournament and take your changes from there. Every year Cinderellas make it the sweet sixteen and the elite 8 but almost always one of the top tier teams wins the whole thing. Being in the Big East means that there will be years that you just don't make it. The league is that brutal and in my opinion the Big East Tournament needs to be changed because it takes to much out of the teams that advance in it.

Now on your other point about xu fans being more classy in the past when UC was better; total disagree. In fact I think outside of the smack boards xu fans have been more civil over the last few years, maybe because they did not feel threatened as much. I grew up with xu fans and to be honest they did not root for their own team as much as they rooted for UC to fail. I guess how could you get excited about being in the mcc conference. The prevalent feeling was that the team could go 1 and whatever, as long as the one was a win against UC.

xu definitely took advantage of the 5 years that UC was out of the limelight. I think that time is over now. Yes, I'll admit that some still do not have faith in our coach. On the other hand it is very interesting that after talking to enough xu fans I sense an eerie sense of uneasiness with your recent coaching choice.

 

[Not Guilty]

Two reasons for me:

One, that's bs chickenshit stuff to bring up about a rival coach. It is classless, and really has no place on a public forum, for all to see, IMHO. I've seen Duke do much of the same, and I feel the same way. When you actually make a racial remark, or talk about anything and everything other than basketball, that's where i think it's too much.

Two, and here's the kicker, it makes all that much worse when it comes from a fanbase that thumbs their nose and looks down on our kids, our program, our fans. It's hypocrisy at it's finest, it's actually well beyond that.

They act like their program is comprised of certain types of people, quality people, and has been for years. When it's all bs, always has been. Their program is comprised of a bunch of aholes, a bunch of players that are no better or worse than anyone else, and people who rip waterfountains out of the wall of other people's gym after a loss, a coach who acts like a raging lunatic. But they'll tell you they have higher standards, all the while, ripping our coaches former wife. That aint cool IMO.

Xavier fans are HUGE hypocrites. They way they act and the kids they support while trashing UC is extremely hypocritical.

 

[Not Guilty]

Butler just lost to University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee by 24 pts. Butler sucks.

Holloway is a pretty good player. Lyons is a punk. And both of them have shots so "broke" I am thinking about taking my kid with me to show him how not to shoot a jumper.

I know this is the shootout and everything is thrown out the window but Xavier sucks. Lyons is a punk. Frease is a punk. Frease has gotten his head bashed in a couple times by opposing players and deserved every blow.

The only chance X has is to use their punk crap to make the game a melee and get UC players upset. Face it, they shoot like crap and display the lowest basketball IQ I have seen in decades.

In broader terms: Xavier is a shit team in a shit conference who has illegitimately graduated more players than any team in the nation and ironically received a mountain of praise for their deceit.

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Other than that they are a fine program and may the best team win!

Not entirely true. Sister Rose wanted Tu suspended last year because he wouldn't do the work required of him but Chris Mack told her no.

 

[Thegreatone]

Why does Dontmisshim/Kcourt/ready2go still got good reps here?? Neg rep them! ha

 

[cincinnati insanity]

CINCINNATI FAN HERE

This Xavier fan is an idiot, why not let the play on the court decide who the top dogs in town are... First off how in the Hell is an X fan saying we have a cupcake schedule, X might play a couple and i stress a couple tough games out of conference. The A10 sucks, and if my mind serves me right didnt we beat the sh#t out of one of the A10's best. TU-TU is the only legitamate player they have, and the only reason they have him is because thats what CRONIN chose.. i also keep hearing about the oger Kenny Frease progressing so much..lol.. dude is a retard who thinks he is gods gift to basketball, if Gates remembers that headbutt from last year that miraculously went uncalled, and he plays with the potential he has, he will completely dominate shrek down low. As for Lyons, i heard that Albany gave him a ride to the X game, thats because that should of been the team he went to, cause dude is terrible.. So Big dog x fan get in the newspaper and check out the THE TOP 25 TEAMS IN THE NATION and tell me whether or not your beloved Xavier(praying babies) is in there. Then Thursday turn the channel on to Espn 2 and Watch your beloved Xavier team get there asses handed to them by a real deal Big east team.... THANKS AND HAVE A GREAT DAY....

 

[DontMissHim]

^^^uh, why do we bring up the schedule might you ask? Currently Xavier has a 42 Strength of Schedule with and RPI of 53. Compare that to UC who has a Strength of Schedule of...wait for it. 324. with an RPI of 65. so..that could be a little of why we bring up OOC schedule right now, you know?

Also, correct me if im wrong- the head butt was two years ago? Maybe he did forget about it last year or something.

 

[adrock]

OOC Strength of schedule arguments are completely irrelevant. The selection committee looks at the whole body of work at the end of the season.

UC plays these (current) top 25 teams:

• Villanova
• Syracuse
• Notre Dame
• Pittsburgh
• Louisville
• Georgetown
• UConn

Xavier plays these (current) top 25 teams:

• Cincinnati

How do you think the SOSs will stack up by season's end? You know, when it matters?

 

[cincinnati insanity]

^^^uh, why do we bring up the schedule might you ask? Currently Xavier has a 42 Strength of Schedule with and RPI of 53. Compare that to UC who has a Strength of Schedule of...wait for it. 324. with an RPI of 65. so..that could be a little of why we bring up OOC schedule right now, you know?

Also, correct me if im wrong- the head butt was two years ago? Maybe he did forget about it last year or something.

The only thing that you keep keying in on is UC's OOC schedule.. give it about another month, then come post your little whiney ass comments and see if you have the testicular fortitude to say that UC's schedule is still so terrible. Xavier suck and your just going to have to live with it. This is UC's town and city and there is nothing X can do about it. your team is going to come out Thursday with the intent of trying to knock off a top 25 team to earn there respect and to help there schedule strength(cause we know there league is not going to help) but Uc is going to come out the big dawgs, who are going to beat Xavier like a drum, just like every little team Uc has played this year. My question is after your squad gets destroyed are you going to love reading that Cincy beat the hell out of another cupcake? because i sure will.....

 

[Kingsley Court]

It's funny, growing up UC fans said they don't care about this game, and it was Xaviers superbowl. Seems to me like UC fans care just as much if not more about this game.

I wouldn't talk smack about how great UC's schedule is, until they actually play the teams that make it great. Anyone that denies how horrible UC's OOC schedule was, and how well they now have to do in the Big East is just dumb. They better be a lock for the tourney, because if they are a bubble team, OOC schedule actually plays a role in who gets in.