Your perfect rotation for conference play

[Robert]

In a perfect world...

PG: Caupain 25, Guyn 12, Johnson 3
SG: Kilpatrick 32, Johnson 8
SF: Thomas 22, Sanders 12, Johnson 6
PF: Rubles 28, Lawrence 12
C: Jackson 30, Lawrence 5, Nyarsuk 5

Totals:

Kilpatrick 32
Jackson 30
Rubles 28
Caupain 25
Thomas 22
Lawrence 17
Johnson 17
Sanders 12
Guyn 12
Nyarsuk 5

I only include Nyarsuk because he will be necessary against larger teams and when Jackson inevitably finds himself in foul trouble.

 

[jalen21]

Looks good, although I think Sanders should see more than 12 minutes a game due to his recent improved play. He has gotten 20+ minutes in each of the last 4 games and as long as he is playing with confidence, that trend should continue.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Sanders is finally looking like the player many of us thought he'd be coming out of high school. Hard to keep him off the court. I love the possibility of Thomas but i'd rather have results.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Lots of factors are involved in who plays and when. Youngsters have a tendency to pick up fouls. JJ has that same habit. In the first half if you get your second your sitting the rest of the half. With a thin front court MC has to be very careful with his rotation. I'm more interested in who is on the court when the game Is on the line. In that case I want SK, Caupain,JJ,TR and Sanders. While Sanders doesn't have the talent of others he seems to understand the game much better. He isn't prone to the mental which can kill you in tight games.

 

[CaptDale]

Lots of factors are involved in who plays and when. Youngsters have a tendency to pick up fouls. JJ has that same habit. In the first half if you get your second your sitting the rest of the half. With a thin front court MC has to be very careful with his rotation. I'm more interested in who is on the court when the game Is on the line. In that case I want SK, Caupain,JJ,TR and Sanders. While Sanders doesn't have the talent of others he seems to understand the game much better. He isn't prone to the mental which can kill you in tight games.

This is what happens when you have lots of good players, but no great players. Thus Cronin has the option that lots of other coaches lack, to freely substitute at most positions. We may not be the best team on the floor, but we will have the freshest legs.

 

[waterhead]

In a perfect world...

PG: Caupain 25, Guyn 12, Johnson 3
SG: Kilpatrick 32, Johnson 8
SF: Thomas 22, Sanders 12, Johnson 6
PF: Rubles 28, Lawrence 12
C: Jackson 30, Lawrence 5, Nyarsuk 5

Totals:

Kilpatrick 32
Jackson 30
Rubles 28
Caupain 25
Thomas 22
Lawrence 17
Johnson 17
Sanders 12
Guyn 12
Nyarsuk 5

I only include Nyarsuk because he will be necessary against larger teams and when Jackson inevitably finds himself in foul trouble.

In my perfect world (as of right now) it would go something like this.

SK 32.5
JJ 32.5
TR 28
TC 28
JL 18
JS 18
KJ 18
ST 15
GG 10

I don't really care how those minutes get spread. These minutes could change based on production or lack thereof. I am basing this on limited to no foul trouble (perfect world). Of course in a perfect world Thomas would be playing better right now.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Since we're on the subject:

Caupain - 25
Kilpatrick - 30
Sanders - 20
Jackson - 30
Rubles - 30
Lawrence 20
Thomas - 15
Johnson - 15
Guyn - 15

Barring foul trouble that's how I'd roll.

 

[JumpinJack5]

In my perfect world (as of right now) it would go something like this.

SK 32.5
JJ 32.5
TR 28
TC 28
JL 18
JS 18
KJ 18
ST 15
GG 10

I don't really care how those minutes get spread. These minutes could change based on production or lack thereof. I am basing this on limited to no foul trouble (perfect world). Of course in a perfect world Thomas would be playing better right now.

I like that spread, pretty much what mine would look like also. I'd probably take a few minutes off of JJ so that he doesn't get into as much foul trouble and add a few minutes for Shaq. His play is partially his own fault, but he also hasn't been set up very well either. If we could shoot just a little bit better, those driving lanes would open up and he would have more room to work with. More minutes with Caupain (like the 28 you have him down for) would certainly help Shaq, IMO. I also notice that Shaq seems a little bit tentative, and I think that more game experience will help with that.

 

[L-T]

It's obvious who the 5 players are at the present time who are playing the best. KJ and Lawrence are rising fast though. I suspect that by the end of the year, these 2 will be stealing a lot more minutes from the total.

The "key" to the success of this team though is for Mick to find the answer to the puzzle that is Guyn and Thomas. We can't just let these two ride off into the sunset. If these two play to their potential, this season can potentially end on a very high note. Mick must bring their potential out of them. They are too important to the overall picture. He has really been letting Thomas get buried on the bench for long stretches of time. He seems to have a real quick hook with him. If you have a good kid (Mick's quote) with loads of potential that you are trying to toughen up, you can't continually have someone running to the scorer's table every single time the kid messes up. You can see the confidence just pour out of him every time Mick does this. His shoulders sag. His body language changes. It the same pattern I saw with JDIII. We need Thomas and Guyn for this team to reach it's full potential.

 

[CaptDale]

It's obvious who the 5 players are at the present time who are playing the best. KJ and Lawrence are rising fast though. I suspect that by the end of the year, these 2 will be stealing a lot more minutes from the total.

The "key" to the success of this team though is for Mick to find the answer to the puzzle that is Guyn and Thomas. We can't just let these two ride off into the sunset. If these two play to their potential, this season can potentially end on a very high note. Mick must bring their potential out of them. They are too important to the overall picture. He has really been letting Thomas get buried on the bench for long stretches of time. He seems to have a real quick hook with him. If you have a good kid (Mick's quote) with loads of potential that you are trying to toughen up, you can't continually have someone running to the scorer's table every single time the kid messes up. You can see the confidence just pour out of him every time Mick does this. His shoulders sag. His body language changes. It the same pattern I saw with JDIII. We need Thomas and Guyn for this team to reach it's full potential.

Absolutely correct.
Go Cats!

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

It's obvious who the 5 players are at the present time who are playing the best. KJ and Lawrence are rising fast though. I suspect that by the end of the year, these 2 will be stealing a lot more minutes from the total.

The "key" to the success of this team though is for Mick to find the answer to the puzzle that is Guyn and Thomas. We can't just let these two ride off into the sunset. If these two play to their potential, this season can potentially end on a very high note. Mick must bring their potential out of them. They are too important to the overall picture. He has really been letting Thomas get buried on the bench for long stretches of time. He seems to have a real quick hook with him. If you have a good kid (Mick's quote) with loads of potential that you are trying to toughen up, you can't continually have someone running to the scorer's table every single time the kid messes up. You can see the confidence just pour out of him every time Mick does this. His shoulders sag. His body language changes. It the same pattern I saw with JDIII. We need Thomas and Guyn for this team to reach it's full potential.

wow!!! Loads of potential? LMAO!!! HE STARTS!!!!! Guyn has been given a opportunity most players would kill for. Thomas as well. How much more confidence does Mick need to show them? If they are not playing well they are replaced. Nothing sends the wrong message to a team more then lack of accountability. How about the players who play behind them and work their tails off and perform better. Not all players develop into good players.

 

[L-T]

wow!!! Loads of potential? LMAO!!! HE STARTS!!!!! Guyn has been given a opportunity most players would kill for. Thomas as well. How much more confidence does Mick need to show them? If they are not playing well they are replaced. Nothing sends the wrong message to a team more then lack of accountability. How about the players who play behind them and work their tails off and perform better. Not all players develop into good players.

Waite, since you like to "LMAO" a lot, then I'll "one-up" you and LMFAO!!!! That's what I think about your response. What in the heII does them starting have anything to do with what I said? LMFAO!!!

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Waite, since you like to "LMAO" a lot, then I'll "one-up" you and LMFAO!!!! That's what I think about your response. What in the heII does them starting have anything to do with what I said? LMFAO!!!

Always enjoy your response but I'm into the Bengals game now talk to you later.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Some are just too sensitive.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I think the logic is if they've "earned" a starting spot then they should be in there for results not potential. Mick is going to stick by his starters it seems as he said in his post-game that he will in the starting line-up Wednesday when talking about Thomas. I'm guessing Mick doesn't want to rock the boat by benching players and possibly creating a ripple effect, but I'm not sure the logic of starting a guy and letting him play 8 minutes in Guyn and even only 17 in Thomas. If they aren't earning minutes on the court then they haven't earned their starting spot.

 

[L-T]

Always enjoy your response but I'm into the Bengals game now talk to you later.

Waite, you seem to love watching teams with coaches that never get fired, get us to the postseason, and then get knocked out quick. I like championship teams and coaches myself. But, I'm also watching those Bengals myself. If we give Marvin another 20 years, I'm confident he'll give us a deep run at some point. Gotta love job security.

 

[waterhead]

I think the logic is if they've "earned" a starting spot then they should be in there for results not potential. Mick is going to stick by his starters it seems as he said in his post-game that he will in the starting line-up Wednesday when talking about Thomas. I'm guessing Mick doesn't want to rock the boat by benching players and possibly creating a ripple effect, but I'm not sure the logic of starting a guy and letting him play 8 minutes in Guyn and even only 17 in Thomas. If they aren't earning minutes on the court then they haven't earned their starting spot.

It's kind of a touchy subject. If you start TC over GG right now he could get dejected. He was second fiddle to Cash for 2 years so if he sees himself as a 4 year backup it could damage his ego or his effort. He can still give us good minutes...especially on D. Caupain came into the season knowing he had veterans in front of him who were likely going to start. He's just happy getting good minutes.

As for Thomas I am starting to wonder what he's really made of. He has all the potential in the world but he also seems to have a fragile ego. He needs to suck it up and start acting like a man. When you get pulled realize what you did and stop rolling your eyes and shrugging your shoulders and pouting. When you get back in there take care of business. You don't see Sanders doing that.

I say start Sanders...if Thomas isn't up to the challenge then he's not the type of player we want on the court when it counts the most.

 

[waterhead]

Waite, you seem to love watching teams with coaches that never get fired, get us to the postseason, and then get knocked out quick. I like championship teams and coaches myself. But, I'm also watching those Bengals myself. If we give Marvin another 20 years, I'm confident he'll give us a deep run at some point. Gotta love job security.

L-T...I think you need to stop with this angle of argument. I have yet to hear ANYONE on these boards who are happy with mediocrity or even mild success. In that light we are all the same. We all want the highest level of success for this program.

Where you and others differ is that you think Cronin is NOT that coach and others think he COULD still be. That's it! It is just a matter of a difference of opinion. I see good points on both sides of the argument. It is disengenuous of you to keep reverting back to this old argument that people who are willing to give Cronin more time are content with the level of success he has achieved so far. You are drawing your own conclusions and then projecting them as other people's opinions.

Stick to arguing your points on why Cronin isn't the guy (and you have made many good ones) and let others repsond to that...but stop the "Oh I guess your content with capping out at sweet 16 and not winning conference championships" BS. They aren't the same argument.

 

[L-T]

L-T...I think you need to stop with this angle of argument. I have yet to hear ANYONE on these boards who are happy with mediocrity or even mild success. In that light we are all the same. We all want the highest level of success for this program.

Where you and others differ is that you think Cronin is NOT that coach and others think he COULD still be. That's it! It is just a matter of a difference of opinion. I see good points on both sides of the argument. It is disengenuous of you to keep reverting back to this old argument that people who are willing to give Cronin more time are content with the level of success he has achieved so far. You are drawing your own conclusions and then projecting them as other people's opinions.

Stick to arguing your points on why Cronin isn't the guy (and you have made many good ones) and let others repsond to that...but stop the "Oh I guess your content with capping out at sweet 16 and not winning conference championships" BS. They aren't the same argument.

Please don't assume when I'm talking about Marvin Lewis that I'm talking about Mick. Mick's name was never mentioned.

 

[waterhead]

Please don't assume when I'm talking about Marvin Lewis that I'm talking about Mick. Mick's name was never mentioned.

You post this on a Bearcat BB message board...one which you have made it clear recently you would like to see a coaching change...and then ask me not to draw the obvious conclusion? ROFL

By the way...Mick's name was never mentioned...but that's who you were referring to right?


Waite, you seem to love watching teams with coaches that never get fired, get us to the postseason, and then get knocked out quick. I like championship teams and coaches myself. But, I'm also watching those Bengals myself. If we give Marvin another 20 years, I'm confident he'll give us a deep run at some point. Gotta love job security.