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It's not likely to happen, but I see him in a similair spot jpark was in his soph year and cronin said he wished he red shirted him.... regardless its a pretty good spot to be in considering 4 years ago we didn't even have 8 rotating players to play in our games.... if someone get hurt (god forbid) then red shirting JD3 could hurt us as well, but its def something thats on cronins mind.
david aka the TYZ
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I highly doubt Cronin is considering redshirting Davis, Davis is skilled and I think will have a very good year off the bench, prob our best offensive contributor off the bench behind Shaq Thomas (assuming he doesn't start). Cronin will sub guys in and out to keep them fresh with an uptempo offense and more pressing on defense. Davis needs this year to gel so he can be solid for 2013 season, and I think he will. Cronin redshirts players because they aren't physically ready to compete at this level. I think the comments on wanting to redshirt Parker were more hindsight and a shot at Parker's work ethic than anything. It's easy to say after someone's had a bad year that you wished you would've redshirted him. Going into a season full of unknowns and having a skilled player that can give you minutes when needed is a no-brainer. I think he learned his lesson by redshirting Kilpatrick that you shouldn't assume you won't need a player that can contribute.
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My point is JD3 needs to have as many opportunitys to play as he can, I think he may get 13-17min this year anyway. But he needs to go though the ringer this year. But if we were to redshirt someone I would pick Sanders...he could use a year to work on his body/ speed.
that is a good point. tim abromaitis redshirted his second year at Notre Dame though. i dont think davis will be redshirted, but you also cant play everyone. playing 11 players, let alone 12, and having defined roles is extremely difficult. so that is why i think it is at least an option.
psax889906
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Bottom line, I believe, is that there are enough bodies both in the backcourt AND the frontcourt now to be discussing something like redshirting a younger guard. Much better spot to be in than where things were after Ellis got dismissed. This team will be mighty good if JJ and Rubles produce at a solid level.
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Andrew Force article provides a little insight:
http://cincinnati.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1391948
http://cincinnati.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1391948
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I do find it to be really interesting who's going to get the minutes at the 1-3 spots. I think 4-5 is going to be Jackson starting, and a Rubles/Mbodj/Nyarsuk rotation (lead spot in that rotation up for grabs...sounds like Mbodj has the edge).
But at the 1-3 spots, it looks like this...
PG - Cash, Guyn...maybe JDIII
SG - Kilpatrick, Sanders...maybe JDIII
SF - Parker, Thomas...maybe Sanders
I guess this is kind of the same as last year because Dixon was in the mix and Thomas was not. But it seems like it is going to be awfully difficult to get Thomas, Guyn, JDIII and Sanders playing time....particulary if they don't cut back on Parker's minutes from last year.
This competition is good as these kids must be keenly aware that it's going to be a fight for playing time.
But at the 1-3 spots, it looks like this...
PG - Cash, Guyn...maybe JDIII
SG - Kilpatrick, Sanders...maybe JDIII
SF - Parker, Thomas...maybe Sanders
I guess this is kind of the same as last year because Dixon was in the mix and Thomas was not. But it seems like it is going to be awfully difficult to get Thomas, Guyn, JDIII and Sanders playing time....particulary if they don't cut back on Parker's minutes from last year.
This competition is good as these kids must be keenly aware that it's going to be a fight for playing time.
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I disagree. I think in the 4 guard you will see Cash, SK, Parker, Thomas and Chiekh. In the traditional line up I think you'll see Cash, SK, Parker, JJ, Cheikh. Sanders will play the 3 mostly I believe and Thomas the 2/3 as I think Parker will as well. So there will be times you'll see Cash, SK/Thomas, Parker/Sanders or Cash, Parker/Thomas, Sanders. The wings will be interchangeable. Guyn and Davis will get the majority of their minutes at the 1imo. My personal guess is Sanders or Davis will be the ones battling for minutes and need to step up if they want court time. I think Guyn will see time based on his defense and hear he is really working hard and has been solid in off season practice.
Low post the rotation will be Cheikh and JJ as the first 2 in any line up, with Rubles and Nyarsuk then Gaines unless something pops for him in the coming months. Parker, Thomas or T-Rub could play the 4 some with Cheikh/Jackson on the floor as well. Based on things I've read Nyarsuk will be fine playing defense and rebounding with his size and athleticism even in the BEast. His coach seems to think so anyway.
This team will be able to really interchange pieces/parts and will have the luxury of bringing people in and out if somebody is having an off day. I think this is the deepest team at UC in many years and it reminds me of the early 90s teams in terms of make up. A line up of Cash, SK, Parker, Thomas and Cheikh won't give up a lot of length and nothing athletically. Plug in Jackson, Sanders, and T-Rub and you can say the same thing.
With Cash and SK you have two of the best at their position in the big East. Parker may be one of the toughest players in the country, and with Cash and Killa, give UC one of the best backcourts any where. Add in quality depth and you really have something. The guards, especially Sean and JP, rebound very well from the perimeter as well. I'm telling you I am very excited at what this team can potentially be by March.
I'm not sold on Thomas playing a lot of minutes.
I think he'll be good off the bench here and there, but I'd imagine Sanders gets more time at the 3, based on experience and being the better shooter.
If we are pressing and running a lot, I would expect there to be a lot of subs spelling the starters. It should be competitive and we'll have different looks to throw at people.
Should be a good year, we have two 5's who can run the floor. Two 4's and 3 people that can play the wing. At 2 guard, you got SK still + Davis.
What is curious, is how much of a drop off will we see, when Guyn is in for Wright?
I think he'll be good off the bench here and there, but I'd imagine Sanders gets more time at the 3, based on experience and being the better shooter.
If we are pressing and running a lot, I would expect there to be a lot of subs spelling the starters. It should be competitive and we'll have different looks to throw at people.
Should be a good year, we have two 5's who can run the floor. Two 4's and 3 people that can play the wing. At 2 guard, you got SK still + Davis.
What is curious, is how much of a drop off will we see, when Guyn is in for Wright?
JackBauer151
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Thomas will get major minutes for the Cats. Potential for Frosh of the year candidate in the BEAST.
psax889906
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I think Shaq could end up playing a role similar to Kilpatrick's his RS Freshmen year... sparkplug off the bench providing some slashing ability and instant offense. He's not as strong a shooter but they don't need him to be... Cash, SK and Sanders have the 3PT line locked down... Park can knock 'em down on occasion as well.
As far as the drop off from Wright to Guyn ... offensively I'd expect there to be one- maybe we'll see Kilpatrick or Parker play some point when Cash is not in? Defensively I think Guyn will sub in for Wright plenty effectively. He showed himself to be a capable young defender last year at times.
One other thing to think about which will be huge, is SK being able to slide back over to the 2 guard this year, rather than having to play the 3 as he did last year.
and this is based on...what? having never seen him play before in a real big east game?
we all hope for a good year from thomas. but he is also getting the hype machine that all players who sit out at UC get. i think we need to temper expectations on him until we actually see him play. he will have an adjustment period because he has never played, can't shoot the ball very well, and still has low level strength.
psax889906
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Just to play devil's advocate: Asking why a person would have high expectations of a player because they have yet to play at the college level is fair... AT THE SAME TIME, I could ask you how you are basing your fairly negative assessment on the same lack of true information?
SK was productive, yet inconsistent coming off his RS season. As I stated in my previous post, I'm hoping for similar contributions from Shaq this year. As for the "Hype Machine" to be honest I've heard very little as far as chatter goes in regards to Thomas over the summer.
All in all, because the program is in a better spot in regards to depth you won't see fans wanting to build up new freshmen as the next coming of Kenyon or the Big O- because there are already plenty of pieces in place and the large, important roles on the team are filled by more experienced, prepared student athletes. That was not the case the first few years of Mick's tenure and thus I can see where some fans became dispirited when every off season with each new recruiting class a freshmen would without fail get labeled as a can't miss, instant impact recruit who would become a starter from day 1 (aka Yancy).
It's all good. Shaq has players in front of him. GOOD players who will continue to teach him the Bearcat way and shoulder the burden of expectations until he is prepared to take the reigns himself.
that all is fair. first off, i didnt mean for that to be a negative assessment of thomas- it was more meant to show that he has serious shortcomings right now and just calling him a rookie of the year candidate is pretty brash. think about how many scorers are ahead of him- kilpatrick is a candidate for 16-17 ppg; cash will be 12 ppg, and parker likely could average somewhere in between cash and kilpatrick. add in jackson, plus cheikhs, titus, and all of our sophomore guards...realistically thomas is looking at 5 or 6 points per game after all of those players get theirs. they are never going to give a freshman who averages a handful of points each game and is a part of a 6 person bench the ROY.
Agree - I see him in a Darnell Wilks role - at least in his first year. I hope he becomes more than a role player in the future, but it's fine for now.
JackBauer151
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Well every freshman right now coming into the big east has yet to play in a big east game so thinking a 4 star combo forward that is known for scoring and has a year of the system under his belt being a ROY candidate isnt all that crazy. Cronin also has said as much in his radio shows. After seeing him play in deveroes I would say he played as advertised. Look for really big things from him this year.....
psax889906
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I agree with you, which is why I made the point I did about him not needing to be exceptional with his ability this season because of the others around him... where do we expect him to play this season when he is on the court? At the 3?... or will he be playing the 2 as well?
I think Shaq Thomas before he leaves Cincinnati, will be a very good player. He still needs to get a consistant jumper though. Teams, especially this year, with our style of play, will fall back on defense and play zone to prevent the drive. The floor with Thomas is a moderately good sf, he packs on strength and gets a jump shot, he has the potential to be a lottery kid.
On the up side: Explosive athleticism, knows how to make smart passes in tight spots and has a great handle, for a guy his size.
On the down side: He's rail spike thin and will be physically man handled in the wrong place. He has to get a reliable jumper and then make it reliable beyond the arc. He's also never seen higher tier or any tier, for that matter, NCAA competition.
That's how I see it, anyway. A more mature body, he would have been a 5 star, rather than a 4.
On the up side: Explosive athleticism, knows how to make smart passes in tight spots and has a great handle, for a guy his size.
On the down side: He's rail spike thin and will be physically man handled in the wrong place. He has to get a reliable jumper and then make it reliable beyond the arc. He's also never seen higher tier or any tier, for that matter, NCAA competition.
That's how I see it, anyway. A more mature body, he would have been a 5 star, rather than a 4.
