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[TheLivingLegend]

This team sucks, bottom line.

-Our offense is terrible
-The team is better of without Yancy
-We shoot free throws so bad its beyond understandable
-The overall team IQ is in the negatives
-Frankly its time to question Mick again. He has not proven he can do this.

Yet another year of watching a team collapse down the stretch. How many years in a row is this?

 

[swg]

-Our offense is terrible
-The team is better of without Yancy
-We shoot free throws so bad its beyond understandable
-The overall team IQ is in the negatives
-Frankly its time to question Mick again.

Concur.
It's bad.
Either MC can't develop players/coach an offense or the players aren't buying in.
Either way, I have come to the conclusion that MC no longer has my confidence.

 

[babcat]

Coaching has only a small part to do with it. It's the ability of the players to execute the play that the coach employs, and this team has difficulty with execution.

Your angst with Mick is misguided, methinks.

 

[TheLivingLegend]

Coaching has only a small part to do with it. It's the ability of the players to execute the play that the coach employs, and this team has difficulty with execution.

Your angst with Mick is misguided, methinks.

Heres my gripe...

-I dont think the offensive sets Mick runs are good.
-Mick clearly cant motivate very well. (my solution to this last year was to hire an assistant who can, didnt happen)
-Like it or not Mick has had some talent.
-You say its the ability of the players, Mick recruited these players...

Im not looking to argue, just my thought process!

 

[babcat]

Heres my gripe...

-I dont think the offensive sets Mick runs are good.
-Mick clearly cant motivate very well. (my solution to this last year was to hire an assistant who can, didnt happen)
-Like it or not Mick has had some talent.
-You say its the ability of the players, Mick recruited these players...

Im not looking to argue, just my thought process!

I agree with your logic, LL, but it's still the players that must execute. Coaching staff can't go out and fire up threes, or shoot miserably from the charity stripe.

I also agree that Mick doesn't motivate his players well.

 

[swg]

Coaching has only a small part to do with it. It's the ability of the players to execute the play that the coach employs, and this team has difficulty with execution.

Your angst with Mick is misguided, methinks.

It's the coaches job to make sure execution occurs. If UC football goes 5 games w/o a touchdown, it's not the fault of the players, but lack of coaching OR respect from the players.

Who's fault is it when the players continue to do bonehead things on the court..repeatedly?? (see Wilks, Bishop,Yancy,Cash)
At some point, it is coaching....


This isn't a one time deal, the UC offense has been awful under Cronin...he's just been given a pass due to 'rebuilding'.

I get that MC doesn't shoot FTs, dribble the ball, run the offense, etc. But he's the CEO of a company that earns no revenue....since you can't fire all the employees (players)....time for the CEO to go.

Misguided? Not by what I see on tv.

 

[ready2go]

Coaching has only a small part to do with it. It's the ability of the players to execute the play that the coach employs, and this team has difficulty with execution.

Your angst with Mick is misguided, methinks.

Coaching is teaching. If your players aren't executing then the teacher isnt getting through to them. Especially when it becomes the norm

True coach cant make free throws for his players but when it constantly comes down to that to win games, even against weeker opponents, that is a problem

Thought they had this one. Disappointed

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Coaching has only a small part to do with it. It's the ability of the players to execute the play that the coach employs, and this team has difficulty with execution.

Your angst with Mick is misguided, methinks.

So how long until it's mick's fault? For the past three years it's different players making the same mistakes at the same point of the seasons. Sorry Micky boy it's time to go.

 

[Thegreatone]

So how long until it's mick's fault? For the past three years it's different players making the same mistakes at the same point of the seasons. Sorry Micky boy it's time to go.

He has my full support through this season. A very troubling trend of faltering down the stretch. They are very much alive for a NCAA bid but need to beat some good teams down the stretch. I will reserve the right to watch this season play out before I call for anyones head and hope others do the same.

 

[lumberjack]

This team sucks, bottom line.

-Our offense is terrible
-The team is better of without Yancy
-We shoot free throws so bad its beyond understandable
-The overall team IQ is in the negatives
-Frankly its time to question Mick again. He has not proven he can do this.

Yet another year of watching a team collapse down the stretch. How many years in a row is this?

Yes and hello Mcfly!

 

[thebeast]

So how long until it's mick's fault? For the past three years it's different players making the same mistakes at the same point of the seasons. Sorry Micky boy it's time to go.

you know he is coming back next year right? it would serve them no good to get rid of him now. that would just be back where they started 5 years ago

 

[UCalum08]

So many people want to blame Mick it is ridiculous. How about you hold the players, the ones who play on the court, accountable. Yes, of course the coach is going to be looked at and questioned. But, like said earlier, its the same players doing the same bone head mistakes. Not being aggressive, missing FT's, and not doing little things bball players do, falls on the PLAYERS. Shooting 53% from FT's today, like so many of our losses is a huge key. Maybe the players just aren't as good as you want them to be. Offensive plays, sure that can be a coaches fault. But you can not seriously tell me they do not tell their players to attack the basketball. Of course they do, our players just aren't very strong at doing that. Same with free throws, of course they work on them in practice but they lack mental concentration. Its so easy for someone to point at the coach and blame him instead of looking at the people on the court who actually play.

 

[lumberjack]

Same bat time-----same bat channel

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

He has my full support through this season. A very troubling trend of faltering down the stretch. They are very much alive for a NCAA bid but need to beat some good teams down the stretch. I will reserve the right to watch this season play out before I call for anyones head and hope others do the same.

I understand what you mean about waiting until the end of the season. But it is extremely frustrating watching basically a replay of the past few years. I wanted Mick to do well and it really was the only hire that made sense at the time. But at the end of last year I believed he should have been let go. I remained skeptical throughout the run through the easy schedule, but now my worst fear is becoming a reality, they are getting exposed against legitimate competition. And after this season, barring some sort of miracle, I will again advocate the removal of Mick Cronin, only this time there will be more people on this side. I fear that under Mick Cincinnati will fade into obscurity...I want someone to prove that the University of Cincinnati is more than just a good coach or team, but a good program.

 

[lumberjack]

So many people want to blame Mick it is ridiculous. How about you hold the players, the ones who play on the court, accountable. Yes, of course the coach is going to be looked at and questioned. But, like said earlier, its the same players doing the same bone head mistakes. Not being aggressive, missing FT's, and not doing little things bball players do, falls on the PLAYERS. Shooting 53% from FT's today, like so many of our losses is a huge key. Maybe the players just aren't as good as you want them to be. Offensive plays, sure that can be a coaches fault. But you can not seriously tell me they do not tell their players to attack the basketball. Of course they do, our players just aren't very strong at doing that. Same with free throws, of course they work on them in practice but they lack mental concentration. Its so easy for someone to point at the coach and blame him instead of looking at the people on the court who actually play.

Really--- you serious?

 

[bearcat jeff]

Don't know how you put this on the head coach. Shoot 60% on ft's and you win. They had wide open shots and missed them. Defense held SJU to no field goals the last 8 minutes. This loss was on the players and mental toughness failed them again. A senior commits a line violation in that circumstance? Unforgivable.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

So many people want to blame Mick it is ridiculous. How about you hold the players, the ones who play on the court, accountable. Yes, of course the coach is going to be looked at and questioned. But, like said earlier, its the same players doing the same bone head mistakes. Not being aggressive, missing FT's, and not doing little things bball players do, falls on the PLAYERS. Shooting 53% from FT's today, like so many of our losses is a huge key. Maybe the players just aren't as good as you want them to be. Offensive plays, sure that can be a coaches fault. But you can not seriously tell me they do not tell their players to attack the basketball. Of course they do, our players just aren't very strong at doing that. Same with free throws, of course they work on them in practice but they lack mental concentration. Its so easy for someone to point at the coach and blame him instead of looking at the people on the court who actually play.

That mentality works for a guy like Tom Izzo. I mean look at Michigan State this year, they are probably just as talented as the last two teams that made the Final Four but are not playing well at all this year. Does that make Izzo a bad coach? Absolutely not. In his situation you can blame the players for a lack of leadership, intensity, blah blah. He is has proven that he take a team of that skill level to the Final Four so you can put it on the players this year.

Mick doesn't have the luxury. Did you listen to the post game? He continuously said that the guys didn't pay attention to detail, they didn't follow the scouting report, and didn't execute the final play properly. He has now said that 6 or 7 times in Big East games!! That clearly means that it is on him, he didn't blame them for missed shots...like you are saying. He blamed the loss for a failure to execute the game plan. And that is on the Head Coach.

 

[bearcat jeff]

you know he is coming back next year right? it would serve them no good to get rid of him now. that would just be back where they started 5 years ago

No it wouldn't. We owe that to Mick. It could be a set back if the right guy isn't hired but much better candidates would come forth now.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

you know he is coming back next year right? it would serve them no good to get rid of him now. that would just be back where they started 5 years ago

So we don't get rid of him because we are scared to start over??? Using that logic why is any coach ever fired??

 

[UCalum08]

How is that not the players fault? What do you recommend he do? Bench the entire team and not play anymore games? The coaches draw up a game plan and the players do not listen or focus...