Xavier

[Bulldog01]

2 weeks ago Bulldog said Clark is best rebounder on UC and may be best rebounder in country, now the rebounds fall in his lap

Fortson was uc best rebounder ever and didn't jump or move for rebounds. Clark position himself well for rebounds but he's not JJ out there chasing down his rebounds. X is scoring 90 so you would think rebounds shouldn't be factor in game

 

[ucswais]

Last year we had Troy walk it up and played zone defense. We were down 36-24 at half in our own building.

Last year, we baited a horrible shooter into shooting their shots and he nailed 5 straight 3s. It's a hard game to take much from.

 

[bearcat23]

any news on Evans injury

 

[TheLongHaul]

Last year, we baited a horrible shooter into shooting their shots and he nailed 5 straight 3s. It's a hard game to take much from.

Dee Davis has a better career 3pt % than Kevin Johnson, Cobb, and equal to Caupain. Would your game plan be to leave any of those three wide open? Sounds like a bad strategy to me. Even if he was a "horrible shooter", even they can make shots when they are wide open, which Davis was for most of his.

 

[jds513]

Fortson was uc best rebounder ever and didn't jump or move for rebounds. Clark position himself well for rebounds but he's not JJ out there chasing down his rebounds. X is scoring 90 so you would think rebounds shouldn't be factor in game

Oh because they aren't going to miss? How can rebounding not be a factor? I actually think it is a very big factor in the game. If Xavier beats us on the glass, we will probably lose the game.

 

[ucswais]

Dee Davis has a better career 3pt % than Kevin Johnson, Cobb, and equal to Caupain. Would your game plan be to leave any of those three wide open? Sounds like a bad strategy to me. Even if he was a "horrible shooter", even they can make shots when they are wide open, which Davis was for most of his.

Career is one thing. He came in ice cold (17% in big east) and both coaches essentially admitted that was the plan. It didn't work.

 

[cincrulz11]

Dee Davis has a better career 3pt % than Kevin Johnson, Cobb, and equal to Caupain. Would your game plan be to leave any of those three wide open? Sounds like a bad strategy to me. Even if he was a "horrible shooter", even they can make shots when they are wide open, which Davis was for most of his.

While I agree not a great general plan, if you told me a 34% career 3 point shooter would have to go 5-5 from 3 when left open to win the game, I'd go ahead and take my chances on that one. Especially in a year when he's been an awful shooter and shot 28% from 3 outside of that game.


Do you trust KJ to ever go 5-5? If I told you Cobb got 5 3's off on Saturday, how many would you trust him to make? Even if I said all 5 were open shots.

 

[cincrulz11]

Seeing what SMU did to Michigan last night, without Kennedy, makes me think that Michigan team is just awful.


If we have to be scared to death of their shooters, they should be scared of ours. Both teams shoot 36.6% as a team from 3.


Xavier is due for some downside of variance against us, hopefully it happens Saturday. They need about a 2-25 from 3 game to even out the last 2 years.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Seeing what SMU did to Michigan last night, without Kennedy, makes me think that Michigan team is just awful.


If we have to be scared to death of their shooters, they should be scared of ours. Both teams shoot 36.6% as a team from 3.


Xavier is due for some downside of variance against us, hopefully it happens Saturday. They need about a 2-25 from 3 game to even out the last 2 years.

cinrulz11, I never depend on the other team to play badly. I hope we come out and play to our capabilities. Xavier is a very sound team. We will need to play our best to win. We are kind of in a odd place as far as the rivalry. Winning the game this year means more to us then it does to them. Usually it is the other way around. Beating a ranked team on the road will help our resume.

 

[Bearcat513]

Evans update:

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 1h
"Cincinnati's Jacob Evans (ankle) will attempt to return to practice this week, Mick Cronin told @CBSSports. TBD for Saturday vs. Xavier."

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/674600474171990016

 

[XUArizona]

Trolling you guys this week, I think some of you, I mean just some of you don't realize how good UC is this year. This game should be absolutely close. Look at last year's stats, Clark is legit and torched XU last year. Now, how he does against a more athletic Farr/Reynolds is a whole other thing but I am thinking he will be fine. Add to that experienced guards and Thomas who is a senior and this is a very good UC team. UC will press as much as they can without wearing themselves out.

XU absolutely can shoot the three ball. For some reason this year, they lose concentration and their percentage falls both at the line and behind the arc. I think this game is won/lost for XU's defense/UC's offense. If UC can hit shots and bust up the 1-3-1, it's a whole new ball game. If not and XU's length is allowed to flourish it could be hard on UC. XU plays small but not really with a guards at 2x6'6, 6'5, 6'4, 2x6'1. Rebounding is more about hustle than anything else, size plays a small part.

I wouldn't look too much into SMU hammering Michigan. UM was without Walton who is their floor general. The Abdur-Rakham guy just isn't the same player Walton is, without Walton and Irvin still recovering from his summer injury it allowed SMU to focus on Levert. It was also at SMU, but it was more about no Walton and SMU being very good and Michigan being a middling B1G team.

 

[cincrulz11]

cinrulz11, I never depend on the other team to play badly.

I never depend on it either, my only point was it goes both ways. A team that shoots 35% isn't going to shoot 60% every time you play them. Now sure they can do it 3 games in a row, that's not out of the realm of possibility, but the games won't always go that way.


Troy is a 35.6% career 3 point shooter went 0-8 last game and how many were completely wide open? We don't expect him to go 0-16 the next 2 games.

 

[L-T]

I think we'll see a much better defensive effort this week. We have to or this won't be a game. So, as I've said multiple times, it will come down to our shooters. If our outside shooters remain in a funk, we're toast. If we're hitting shots, we'll win. Simple as that.

 

[cincrulz11]

I wouldn't look too much into SMU hammering Michigan. UM was without Walton who is their floor general.

It had to do with michigan being one of the softest teams in the country. They got out rebounded 45-20. SMU couldnt even hang on to the ball with 17 turnovers.

 

[XUArizona]

I can't dispute that. Doyle/Donnal/Wagner are just not the same PFs that Michigan has had the last few years. Bielein runs an offense and defense that assumes poor rebounding. He focuses on great PG play, mismatches at the 2 and 3 spot and three point shooting. I think they got Simpson in '16, although small the guy can play. They are short guys like Chatman who just isn't panning out at the 2/3 spot and Irvin who is trying to come back after his summer injury.

It had to do with michigan being one of the softest teams in the country. They got out rebounded 45-20. SMU couldnt even hang on to the ball with 17 turnovers.

 

[TheLongHaul]

Career is one thing. He came in ice cold (17% in big east) and both coaches essentially admitted that was the plan. It didn't work.

I think a career % is a much better barometer. There is one sure fire way to get a guy out of a shooting slump: leave him wide open.

He wasn't a great shooter but she was plenty good enough to not leave wide open and let that be a game plan. Especially considering everyone else on the team was also wide open in the first half due to the matchup zone and corner 3.

As to the other poster, would Cobb or KJ hit 5 of 5 if left wide open? I don't know and my guess is we won't find out because it won't ever be part of the game plan to leave those two wide open. But I bet Cobb has made 5 in a row while shooting open 3's.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I never depend on it either, my only point was it goes both ways. A team that shoots 35% isn't going to shoot 60% every time you play them. Now sure they can do it 3 games in a row, that's not out of the realm of possibility, but the games won't always go that way.


Troy is a 35.6% career 3 point shooter went 0-8 last game and how many were completely wide open? We don't expect him to go 0-16 the next 2 games.

Agreed. We need to play well on both ends of the floor to come away with a win. This game is why I like sports. Two good teams with History going at it. Should be fun especially if the cats Win.

 

[ucswais]

I think a career % is a much better barometer. There is one sure fire way to get a guy out of a shooting slump: leave him wide open.

He wasn't a great shooter but she was plenty good enough to not leave wide open and let that be a game plan. Especially considering everyone else on the team was also wide open in the first half due to the matchup zone and corner 3.

As to the other poster, would Cobb or KJ hit 5 of 5 if left wide open? I don't know and my guess is we won't find out because it won't ever be part of the game plan to leave those two wide open. But I bet Cobb has made 5 in a row while shooting open 3's.

Well my main point was just that last year's 3 pt show wasn't really a zone vs man problem. We deliberately left a guy we thought couldn't shoot. That's a little different than sitting back in a zone and them shooting over the top.

Our zone is an aggressive zone anyway so I'm not even sure it makes them more likely to take 3s the way we play it.

More to the point, Clark can't guard Bluitt. I'll just put that out there as bluntly as I can.

 

[cincrulz11]

I think a career % is a much better barometer. There is one sure fire way to get a guy out of a shooting slump: leave him wide open.

He wasn't a great shooter but she was plenty good enough to not leave wide open and let that be a game plan. Especially considering everyone else on the team was also wide open in the first half due to the matchup zone and corner 3.

As to the other poster, would Cobb or KJ hit 5 of 5 if left wide open? I don't know and my guess is we won't find out because it won't ever be part of the game plan to leave those two wide open. But I bet Cobb has made 5 in a row while shooting open 3's.

Tons of results oriented thinking here the past couple days. Lets not act like we just defend the way we do without a reason. Davis was considered the weakness of the offense, you can't stop everything.

It's crazy to think college kids, especially not the elite shooters, are going to hit every wide open 3 they get. Watch how many our team gets and misses. We had TONS of them sunday and missed almost every one. Our team has good shooters too.


Dunham is likely as good of a shooter as we'll face all year. We did awful at guarding him and he got a lot of open looks, but he went 4-9, not 9-9.


Again Im not saying its a great plan leaving guys wide open all game. Obviously Im sure Mick doesnt want anybody getting free 3 pointers off. But the results against us have not been normal.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

You gotta give Davis credit. I think the first 4 were all in rhythm during the first half and then he hit his last one in the closing minutes. Big shot out of rhythm. Cobb was our barometer last year. When he played well in big games we won, when he didn't we lost. Would love to see him knock down 3 or 4 three pointers Saturday especially early in the game.