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mplebanon said:
It was said on Bearcat Banter that Gaines has not graduated yet.
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Yes this is true. But I have heard that he may this summer. Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

Someone on another board stated at the banquet that Cronin talked about EVERY returning player next year and how they will contribute to the team. Every player except for gaines. Any truth to that one also?
 
JasonS said:
Those kids are "projects" that happen to develop. And the only reason you see any of them is because they do develop and that team makes the NCAA Tourney. The schools that get kids that don't develop, don't make the tourney and you never hear from them.
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I get what you're saying, doesn't change the fact that I'm sick of seeing us go after these kids that have a year or two of experience playing the game. It seems to me, as someone who doesn't pay too much attention to recruiting, that Mick doesn't get started on the big men early enough. He goes for the top guys and loses them to other schools and then winds up getting late into recruiting as has to reach for a kid like Cheik, Siddy, Biggie, Nyarsuk ect. There has to be a middle ground somewhere, it's not like his only options are the top guys he won't get or the kids from another country who have only played basketball for 2 years.
 
JackBauer151 said:
HAHAHAHA. That was hilarious. He was on McGary, Thabeet, Hammons, Lawrence, Gates and many others very early on in the process.
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Was that not a valid post on my part? I didn't realize we've been cleaning up on the big men, maybe I need to pay more attention to recruiting.

PS - Is Jermaine Lawrence a big man? Everything I've seen of him looks like he's more of a slashing wing player, not a post up guy.
 
UCBearcats said:
Was that not a valid post on my part? I didn't realize we've been cleaning up on the big men, maybe I need to pay more attention to recruiting.

PS - Is Jermaine Lawrence a big man? Everything I've seen of him looks like he's more of a slashing wing player, not a post up guy.
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This is where your logic falls apart. The game is changing. It's changing in college and it's changing in the NBA. There are many teams in the NBA playing basketball without a big man by your definition. Kids that are 6'9" and taller want to be like Kevin Durant and not Marc Gasol. That's just the way it is. Big men in the NBA don't just go post up. They set picks and roll to the basket. There are fewer exceptions to that than there are those that are the rule. Why is this? Because they are athletic and most of them can shoot out to 20 feet. That's the new NBA. Kids watch this. Jermaine Lawrence is not Kevin Durant and he is not Tim Duncan. From what I have gathered, he is somewhere in between. He can play on the perimeter and he can play in the post. He rebounds the heck out of the ball and can be a defensive force by blocking shots. This is the kind of "Big Man" Mick Cronin wants. This is what he is trying to recruit. Putting Jermaine at the 4 will create mismatch issues for 95% of the teams in college basketball. That's what this program has been lacking. If you want to guard Jermaine with a smaller player he can take them inside and post them or shoot over them. If you guard him with a bigger guy, he can take them off the dribble and score. Let's not all set unrealistic expectations for a freshman, so realize that he will take some time to develop. But the idea behind what makes Jermaine special is his ability to create mismatches all by himself.
 
UCBearcats said:
Was that not a valid post on my part? I didn't realize we've been cleaning up on the big men, maybe I need to pay more attention to recruiting.

PS - Is Jermaine Lawrence a big man? Everything I've seen of him looks like he's more of a slashing wing player, not a post up guy.
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You said you dont pay attention to recruiting and then made a statement about Mick Cronin's recruiting strategy\process. Those are two completely contradictory statements. Not to mention incredibly wrong. He has been on many quality big men very early on in their recruitment. For the 10000000000000000000000 time. Getting quality big men is extremely difficult. Why? There are simply not many out there. So when they are good they have the likes of Kansas, UNC, UK, Duke, Florida, Arizona, Syracuse, Uconn and on down the line after them. Not hard to see why a polished big guy would choose any of those schools over UC. So when you dont get your man you have to take some chances and be willing to get creative. Sometime it works and sometime it doesnt. John Williamson was very good. Kelvin Gaines has been poor. Just the way it shakes out sometimes with big guys.
 
JasonS said:
This is where your logic falls apart. The game is changing. It's changing in college and it's changing in the NBA. There are many teams in the NBA playing basketball without a big man by your definition. Kids that are 6'9" and taller want to be like Kevin Durant and not Marc Gasol. That's just the way it is. Big men in the NBA don't just go post up. They set picks and roll to the basket. There are fewer exceptions to that than there are those that are the rule. Why is this? Because they are athletic and most of them can shoot out to 20 feet. That's the new NBA. Kids watch this. Jermaine Lawrence is not Kevin Durant and he is not Tim Duncan. From what I have gathered, he is somewhere in between. He can play on the perimeter and he can play in the post. He rebounds the heck out of the ball and can be a defensive force by blocking shots. This is the kind of "Big Man" Mick Cronin wants. This is what he is trying to recruit. Putting Jermaine at the 4 will create mismatch issues for 95% of the teams in college basketball. That's what this program has been lacking. If you want to guard Jermaine with a smaller player he can take them inside and post them or shoot over them. If you guard him with a bigger guy, he can take them off the dribble and score. Let's not all set unrealistic expectations for a freshman, so realize that he will take some time to develop. But the idea behind what makes Jermaine special is his ability to create mismatches all by himself.
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What are we even talking about here? This is where my logic falls apart, what's my logic? I'm simply voicing my frustration with seeing yet another kid with 1 or 2 years of experience playing basketball being mentioned as a possible recruit for us.

Can't we just call a spade a spade here? Simple facts are we don't have any big men on our roster right now that are worth a damn. Looking forward I don't see where we have a signed commit or a real high level of interest from any quality big man. We all know that it takes at least 2 years to develop a guy so it could be a while before we see a big man on this roster that is worth a damn. That's frustrating, that's all I'm saying, I didn't realize that was such an outrageous point of view.
 
JackBauer151 said:
You said you dont pay attention to recruiting and then made a statement about Mick Cronin's recruiting strategy\process. Those are two completely contradictory statements. Not to mention incredibly wrong. He has been on many quality big men very early on in their recruitment. For the 10000000000000000000000 time. Getting quality big men is extremely difficult. Why? There are simply not many out there. So when they are good they have the likes of Kansas, UNC, UK, Duke, Florida, Arizona, Syracuse, Uconn and on down the line after them. Not hard to see why a polished big guy would choose any of those schools over UC. So when you dont get your man you have to take some chances and be willing to get creative. Sometime it works and sometime it doesnt. John Williamson was very good. Kelvin Gaines has been poor. Just the way it shakes out sometimes with big guys.
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Sometimes this board sucks, can't even make one negative statement without having people jump down your throat and immediately go into defensive mode.

RELAX Jack Bauer, your show got cancelled 7 years ago, it's not all life and death anymore. Besides, I'm pretty sure Mick Cronin will be just fine without having a bodyguard of your caliber.
 
UCBearcats said:
What are we even talking about here? This is where my logic falls apart, what's my logic? I'm simply voicing my frustration with seeing yet another kid with 1 or 2 years of experience playing basketball being mentioned as a possible recruit for us.

Can't we just call a spade a spade here? Simple facts are we don't have any big men on our roster right now that are worth a damn. Looking forward I don't see where we have a signed commit or a real high level of interest from any quality big man. We all know that it takes at least 2 years to develop a guy so it could be a while before we see a big man on this roster that is worth a damn. That's frustrating, that's all I'm saying, I didn't realize that was such an outrageous point of view.
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Please stop saying we dont have interest from recruits when you have stated you dont pay attention to recruiting. Just to give you 5 with interest in UC: Phil Cofer, Abdul Malik Abu, Ben Bentil, Quadri Moore, and Jakeenan Gant. All of which are in many of the top 100 recruiting publications.
 
UCBearcats said:
Sometimes this board sucks, can't even make one negative statement without having people jump down your throat and immediately go into defensive mode.

RELAX Jack Bauer, your show got cancelled 7 years ago, it's not all life and death anymore. Besides, I'm pretty sure Mick Cronin will be just fine without having a bodyguard of your caliber.
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So I call you out on your bullshit and you get defensive. I didnt say what you said was negative. Be as negative as you want. I dont care. I pointed out that you were flat out wrong. Which you were. At least do some research before making idiotic comments.
 
JackBauer151 said:
So I call you out on your bullshit and you get defensive. I didnt say what you said was negative. Be as negative as you want. I dont care. I pointed out that you were flat out wrong. Which you were. At least do some research before making idiotic comments.
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I give up, you're a lunatic
 
UCBearcats said:
I give up, you're a lunatic
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He makes perfect sense to me. You say that you don't follow recruiting and then you bash the recruiting that Mick is doing. You can't have it both ways. The minute you say you don't follow recruiting, you can't act like you are some expert on it. To say that Mick needs to get in on big guys earlier is not a very smart statement. Look at the history since Mick has been here. He has been in on a number of great players VERY early. As a result he had a shot and finished number 2. There were a number of reasons for this but I don't feel like rehashing that debate. You are suggesting by your comments that this staff doesn't work hard in recruiting. Whether you meant that or not, when you suggest in recruiting that someone needs to start recruiting earlier, you are calling them out for not working hard enough. No one that follows recruiting believes this with this staff. Not one.
 
JasonS said:
He makes perfect sense to me. You say that you don't follow recruiting and then you bash the recruiting that Mick is doing. You can't have it both ways. The minute you say you don't follow recruiting, you can't act like you are some expert on it. To say that Mick needs to get in on big guys earlier is not a very smart statement. Look at the history since Mick has been here. He has been in on a number of great players VERY early. As a result he had a shot and finished number 2. There were a number of reasons for this but I don't feel like rehashing that debate. You are suggesting by your comments that this staff doesn't work hard in recruiting. Whether you meant that or not, when you suggest in recruiting that someone needs to start recruiting earlier, you are calling them out for not working hard enough. No one that follows recruiting believes this with this staff. Not one.
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I'm not acting like anything, I was making a comment on a recruiting thread discussion board. Feels like a lot of you just sit here and wait in the weeds for a comment that you don't like and then you blow it out of context and try to turn it into an argument. Not sure if you and Jack are just having a bad day or what but you guys need to relax. I made a comment, it wasn't directed at either of you, but you both start in with your sarcastic responses. Just go back and delete my comment if it bothers you that much, or better yet, just don't reply to it at all. I'm done with this stupid back and forth, I feel bad for anyone else who's had to read it.
 
UCBearcats said:
I'm not acting like anything, I was making a comment on a recruiting thread discussion board. Feels like a lot of you just sit here and wait in the weeds for a comment that you don't like and then you blow it out of context and try to turn it into an argument. Not sure if you and Jack are just having a bad day or what but you guys need to relax. I made a comment, it wasn't directed at either of you, but you both start in with your sarcastic responses. Just go back and delete my comment if it bothers you that much, or better yet, just don't reply to it at all. I'm done with this stupid back and forth, I feel bad for anyone else who's had to read it.
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Eh I enjoy it. Helps with the down time at work...carry on
 
UCBearcats said:
I'm not acting like anything, I was making a comment on a recruiting thread discussion board. Feels like a lot of you just sit here and wait in the weeds for a comment that you don't like and then you blow it out of context and try to turn it into an argument. Not sure if you and Jack are just having a bad day or what but you guys need to relax. I made a comment, it wasn't directed at either of you, but you both start in with your sarcastic responses. Just go back and delete my comment if it bothers you that much, or better yet, just don't reply to it at all. I'm done with this stupid back and forth, I feel bad for anyone else who's had to read it.
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Nothing I have said has been sarcastic and sorry you got your panties in a bunch but if you say something blatantly wrong, someone is going to call you out on it. Sorry you can't handle it.
 
UCBearcats said:
I'm not acting like anything, I was making a comment on a recruiting thread discussion board. Feels like a lot of you just sit here and wait in the weeds for a comment that you don't like and then you blow it out of context and try to turn it into an argument. Not sure if you and Jack are just having a bad day or what but you guys need to relax. I made a comment, it wasn't directed at either of you, but you both start in with your sarcastic responses. Just go back and delete my comment if it bothers you that much, or better yet, just don't reply to it at all. I'm done with this stupid back and forth, I feel bad for anyone else who's had to read it.
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Nothing was taken out of context. You said something that was completely false. I called you out on that and now you are pissed because you were wrong? And Im the lunatic? Yikes.....
 

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