Dear Whit Babcock.....

[ready2go]

Wasn't much the transition game that got us wins over Missouri and Georgetown in the second game. It was more us crashing the boards as a team and going to the hole with authority, as opposed to laying it up for people to block. That half assedness was what cost us the Marshall game.
Hard to transition when you can't rebound the damn ball on D. How many offensive rebounds did they get the last few minutes of regulation? ...
Also doesn't help when you can't shoot free throws, and give up the alley oop, multiple times.

It was both transition game and offensive boards

I said this earlier, Mick said after one of the losses, guys are too worried about missed shots vs getting back on D. Isnt that telling your team, put up a shot and hustle back to play that fun and exciting D?

It was Vaughn and Lance's fault for the offensive whoas. Now its, we have no scorers. Please Mick, the answer is you don't know how to coach an offense.

 

[ready2go]

Dear steadyhomo, (what's with the names all the sudden? Keep it about the game)
I repeat, we made a single 3 pointer all game.
How many points was that? Why don't you lump that onto the missed bunnies and let me know how close that makes the game.
Also, regardless of one play(which did not decide this contest, or any that is decided by 23 fkin points btw) the defense requires a level of commitment from players that is constant. Look at the first ten minutes of the game and look at the rest.
You can't possibly tell me the defense was equal at all times, if you even tried you'd either be develop mentally challenged or blind.

Do you remember how long they were stuck at 2 points?
And yet look how many they scored total. If that doesn't speak to poor execution on the players part, I don't know what does.

As for IU, no. They have had Crean for awhile, and better recruits than us, so that's a $h!t comparison on your part.[/QUOTE]

You are un educated.

Crean went to IU in 2008 and faced scholly infractions

You cant deny that Mick has zero ability to coach an offense. Since when does shooting 3's equate to good looks?

You were prob the young kid who cheered for moral victories. Prob never won a meaningful game in your life.

And yes, it was one play, but who's to say that is not happening on more occasions? A lot more

As for my nickname you gave me....I tried hard to chuckle, but it had zero humor

 

[Butterfly]

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You are un educated.

Crean went to IU in 2008 and faced scholly infractions

So then, you're saying their past couple recruiting classes, aren't leaps and bounds better than ours?
Really?....
LOL
No, I sincerely doubt anyone wants to be coached by Dwayne Wade's coach.
Jesus tap dancing christ.
I'm sorry, I must have forgotten all those players we've gotten who are better than Zeller or Hammond recently.

Seriously? I get that you're pissed, that Mick may be a bad coach, but that's just delusional, my friend.

You cant deny that Mick has zero ability to coach an offense.

I also can't deny we shot bricks on open looks, all game long. Also, what does that have to do with his defensive philosophy you were referencing?

Since when does shooting 3's equate to good looks?

When they're wide open... from your favorite spot... multiple times...
If you're a wing, and you can't hit behind the arc at all, missing multiple times in the same game, you aren't a division I athlete.
If that's a problem, go to junior college or join a rec league.
No excuse for all those misses.
That's garbage. No team can win against tough competition shooting like that.

You were prob the young kid who cheered for moral victories.

Says the man making excuses for our player poor execution.
"Oh it's not you, you didn't miss the shot, it's that guy sitting behind the bench!" "No, you didn't fail to grab the rebound, Cronin should have hoisted your lazy ass up there!" Pshh.

Prob never won a meaningful game in your life.

Even if that were the case, how does that invalidate the poor shooting and effort on this team's part?
Is it really that hard to just admit they suck and have an attitude?

And yes, it was one play, but who's to say that is not happening on more occasions? A lot more

Even if it is, that play didn't decide this game, similar plays didn't decide this game and there is no such thing as an unbeatable defense.
That said, what I saw was piss poor effort on d, terrible rebounding and a shooting percentage that should be reserved for a YWMCA 12 and under team.

Shameful, just shameful.

As for my nickname you gave me....I tried hard to chuckle, but it had zero humor

Woe is me! What a cold and heartless world, where I can't make a man laugh at my play on phonetical similarities between words. Instead leaving him to laugh at his own horrible, jokes and baseless, biased generalizations on coaching. What a poor showing I have made, before this random internet poster, who has taken the time to criticize a hypothetical career as an athlete I never had, as though I can't comment on players, all the while dwelling in his own hypocrisy; pretending to know anything about coaching..(which he has likely never done.)
I am so ashamed, so very, very ashamed. Please sir, have pity on this poor soul.

Y you mad bro?

 

[thebeast]

Here I go:
I have never liked Kenny Frease and never will so I can't say I was sad to see Gates knock the sh!t outta him.
I thought what Cronin did in the postgame was great you can tell he cares and that he was actually pissed unlike Mack who lets his players do what ever they feel like with no rules. And what was with Tu calling himself and the other players gansters? Does he not understand in a civilized society thats not note worthy? They are punks and they are low lifes my opinion will never change. I can't wait to see what happens when he fails in the NBA. His cocky attitude will change real quick when he is working at Mickey D's to support his family. Now that I got that off my chest I gotta say UC players handled this situation as poorly as possible.
I don't have much to say on Gates but he will be suspended for a lengthy time. But for Gelayn he looked like a thug running around the court it looked like he was head hunting and you can tell Mick did not like that. I wouldn't be surprised if he is gone for the season. And boy am I disappointed in Cheik. After hearing how great of a person he is and he goes and stomps on Frease or at least tries to come on. He will be suspended as well.
Obviously Uc's suspensions will be longer because X runs a "gangster" ridden program as Tu would say and Uc runs a clean program were we prperly enforce thugish behavior.

 

[bearcat jeff]

This whole thread is a joke. UC got repeated open looks. Cash, Dixon and Kilpatrick were a combined 8-36. When will you jokesters start looking at players? UC got off 5 more shots than X. Sets don't matter if players don't execute. They got beat down the court. Couldn't finish at the rim and missed countless open looks.

Mick Cronin is the only person that showed any class in the end of this debacle. He is the only person that came out strong against what happened. Yancy Gates made nearly half of the field goals made by Cincinnati. The guards were 1-16 from 3 and UC shot 61 times. That's 45 shots inside the 3. If you are going to be critical at least be informed. These posts are a further embarrassment for this program and continues to show the lack of knowledge by a select few. This season is at the feet of these players. When UC had the lead the team was passing and executing. When the perimeter players decided to dribble into double teams and not get back on defense the game fell apart.

This season can be summed up in one word. Heart. Or should I say the lack thereof. You can't teach heart. You can't design sets for heart. 61 shots at 27%. If only the coaching staff could play. It is Micks responsibility but to say it is his fault is simply wrong. As an operations manager my staff does things I can't control. It is my responsibility to correct it but theirs for doing the wrong. If a worker ultimately needs replaced it is my job to do so. Unfortunately a coach can only do that once a year. Yes, he recruited these guys, but in the end you sign who you can.

 

[UCBearcats]

This whole thread is a joke. UC got repeated open looks. Cash, Dixon and Kilpatrick were a combined 8-36. When will you jokesters start looking at players? UC got off 5 more shots than X. Sets don't matter if players don't execute. They got beat down the court. Couldn't finish at the rim and missed countless open looks.

Mick Cronin is the only person that showed any class in the end of this debacle. He is the only person that came out strong against what happened. Yancy Gates made nearly half of the field goals made by Cincinnati. The guards were 1-16 from 3 and UC shot 61 times. That's 45 shots inside the 3. If you are going to be critical at least be informed. These posts are a further embarrassment for this program and continues to show the lack of knowledge by a select few. This season is at the feet of these players. When UC had the lead the team was passing and executing. When the perimeter players decided to dribble into double teams and not get back on defense the game fell apart.

This season can be summed up in one word. Heart. Or should I say the lack thereof. You can't teach heart. You can design sets for heart. 61 shots at 27%. If only the coaching staff could play. It is Micks responsibility but to say it is his fault is simply wrong. As an operations manager my staff does things I can't control. It is my responsibility to correct it but theirs for doing the wrong. If a worker ultimatle needs replaced it is my job to do so. Unfortunately a coach can only do that once a year. Yes, he recruited these guys, but in the end you sign who you can.

Your last sentence might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. You sign who you can sign? Good coaches sign good players, there is a reason why certain teams are always good.

FIRE MICK CRONIN

 

[bearcat jeff]

Your last sentence might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. You sign who you can sign? Good coaches sign good players, there is a reason why certain teams are always good.

FIRE MICK CRONIN

No you're a joke. Players decide where they play, not coaches. Andrew White decided to play for Kansas not Mick Cronin. Again you fail to understand the power of brand names in major college sports. UC is not Indiana. It is not UConn or Syracuse. It is not UK or UNC. The ONLY people that see UC on the level you do is a handful of locals. Cincinnati is an after thought all across this country. Only the fickle Huggs fans see it otherwise. Coaches like Huggs, Coach K, Calipari, and Wiiliams are brand names unto themselves. Brand attracts players. THAT's why the same programs are always good my friend. Others rise and fall. You see the same thing in college football. Name brand.

Let's fire a guy that won 26 games last season and went to the NCAA. Let's fire a guy that has worked his ass off to rebuild a decimated program. Yeah starting over from scratch will fix everything. Smart move. Absolutely!

 

[ready2go]

So then, you're saying their past couple recruiting classes, aren't leaps and bounds better than ours?
Really?....
LOL
No, I sincerely doubt anyone wants to be coached by Dwayne Wade's coach.
Jesus tap dancing christ.
I'm sorry, I must have forgotten all those players we've gotten who are better than Zeller or Hammond recently.

Seriously? I get that you're pissed, that Mick may be a bad coach, but that's just delusional, my friend.



I also can't deny we shot bricks on open looks, all game long. Also, what does that have to do with his defensive philosophy you were referencing?


When they're wide open... from your favorite spot... multiple times...
If you're a wing, and you can't hit behind the arc at all, missing multiple times in the same game, you aren't a division I athlete.
If that's a problem, go to junior college or join a rec league.
No excuse for all those misses.
That's garbage. No team can win against tough competition shooting like that.




Says the man making excuses for our player poor execution.
"Oh it's not you, you didn't miss the shot, it's that guy sitting behind the bench!" "No, you didn't fail to grab the rebound, Cronin should have hoisted your lazy ass up there!" Pshh.



Even if that were the case, how does that invalidate the poor shooting and effort on this team's part?
Is it really that hard to just admit they suck and have an attitude?



Even if it is, that play didn't decide this game, similar plays didn't decide this game and there is no such thing as an unbeatable defense.
That said, what I saw was piss poor effort on d, terrible rebounding and a shooting percentage that should be reserved for a YWMCA 12 and under team.

Shameful, just shameful.



Woe is me! What a cold and heartless world, where I can't make a man laugh at my play on phonetical similarities between words. Instead leaving him to laugh at his own horrible, jokes and baseless, biased generalizations on coaching. What a poor showing I have made, before this random internet poster, who has taken the time to criticize a hypothetical career as an athlete I never had, as though I can't comment on players, all the while dwelling in his own hypocrisy; pretending to know anything about coaching..(which he has likely never done.)
I am so ashamed, so very, very ashamed. Please sir, have pity on this poor soul.

Y you mad bro?

I commented on his D. I commented on his O. In the end you people are the minority. Once you open your eyes, it will be too late to restore the tradition of UC basketball.

Maybe Mick should be a preacher or councelor. Great postgame comments dont win games.

Blaming players is fine, if it happens once in a while. The common denominator has been Mick Cronin.

I've said this before and have gotten no response.

Why is Cash walking the ball up the court, looking over at our fearless leader for a set? We were down 18 with 6 minutes to go!! You people bitch about missed layups. I saw about 4 or 5. Thats a total of 10pts the most. And if the best you can do as a coach is get undersized guards contested layups, thats not cutting it. If you want to complain about the 3 pt shooting, blame Mick. Obviously this offense gets the open 3 a lot, however he has failed to recruit shooters! A good coach would make adjustments once he realizes he doesnt have that type of team

Although the man is nothing great, when he was in he made a difference. That being Gaines. We didnt see him again until 4 minutes left

That is coaching

 

[ready2go]

No you're a joke. Players decide where they play, not coaches. Andrew White decided to play for Kansas not Mick Cronin. Again you fail to understand the power of brand names in major college sports. UC is not Indiana. It is not UConn or Syracuse. It is not UK or UNC. The ONLY people that see UC on the level you do is a handful of locals. Cincinnati is an after thought all across this country. Only the fickle Huggs fans see it otherwise. Coaches like Huggs, Coach K, Calipari, and Wiiliams are brand names unto themselves. Brand attracts players. THAT's why the same programs are always good my friend. Others rise and fall. You see the same thing in college football. Name brand.

Let's fire a guy that won 26 games last season and went to the NCAA. Let's fire a guy that has worked his ass off to rebuild a decimated program. Yeah starting over from scratch will fix everything. Smart move. Absolutely![/QUOTE]

After all the suspension thats all were going to hear. Give Mick a few more years. Remember he had half his team suspended. Please, give me a break and look around you

 

[bearcat jeff]

I commented on his D. I commented on his O. In the end you people are the minority. Once you open your eyes, it will be too late to restore the tradition of UC basketball.

Maybe Mick should be a preacher or councelor. Great postgame comments dont win games.

Blaming players is fine, if it happens once in a while. The common denominator has been Mick Cronin. I've said this before and have gotten no response.

Why is Cash walking the ball up the court, looking over at our fearless leader for a set? We were down 18 with 6 minutes to go!! You people bitch about missed layups. I saw about 4 or 5. Thats a total of 10pts the most. And if the best you can do as a coach is get undersized guards contested layups, thats not cutting it. If you want to complain about the 3 pt shooting, blame Mick. Obviously this offense gets the open 3 a lot, however he has failed to recruit shooters! A good coach would make adjustments once he realizes he doesnt have that type of team

That is coaching

So he was also the common denominator last season too? If all you saw was 4-5 missed lay ups you must have been drunk! They shot 16 3's in 61 attempts!! The misses from 3 were bad but it was the close misses that killed them!! C'mon guys!!

 

[bearcat jeff]

No you're a joke. Players decide where they play, not coaches. Andrew White decided to play for Kansas not Mick Cronin. Again you fail to understand the power of brand names in major college sports. UC is not Indiana. It is not UConn or Syracuse. It is not UK or UNC. The ONLY people that see UC on the level you do is a handful of locals. Cincinnati is an after thought all across this country. Only the fickle Huggs fans see it otherwise. Coaches like Huggs, Coach K, Calipari, and Wiiliams are brand names unto themselves. Brand attracts players. THAT's why the same programs are always good my friend. Others rise and fall. You see the same thing in college football. Name brand.

Let's fire a guy that won 26 games last season and went to the NCAA. Let's fire a guy that has worked his ass off to rebuild a decimated program. Yeah starting over from scratch will fix everything. Smart move. Absolutely![/QUOTE]

After all the suspension thats all were going to hear. Give Mick a few more years. Remember he had half his team suspended. Please, give me a break and look around you

I look at the whole picture. I understand certain restrictions he is under by the administration. I understand that the school wants more than for him to win games. I understand the players he can and can't recruit are a reflection of this. I understand he has the second smallest budget in the Big East. I understand it all...do you R2G?

 

[ready2go]

I look at the whole picture. I understand certain restrictions he is under by the administration. I understand that the school wants more than for him to win games. I understand the players he can and can't recruit are a reflection of this. I understand he has the second smallest budget in the Big East. I understand it all...do you R2G?

That is all great bearcatjeff,

THAT HAS WHAT TO DO WITH COACHING?

Walking the ball up the court down 18. Keeping a guy on the bench when he showed the ability to motivate his teamates until it was too late. Going on numorous scoring droubts. It was Vaughn and Stevensons fault, yet we see it year in and year out. The inability to recruit a shooter. I know a lot of shi&&y teams that have good shooters. Players over their careers, rarely show improvement. Vaughn, Gates, Cash, Dixon, Killa

 

[bearcat jeff]

That is all great bearcatjeff,

THAT HAS WHAT TO DO WITH COACHING?

Walking the ball up the court down 18. Keeping a guy on the bench when he showed the ability to motivate his teamates until it was too late. Going on numorous scoring droubts. It was Vaughn and Stevensons fault, yet we see it year in and year out. The inability to recruit a shooter. I know a lot of shi&&y teams that have good shooters. Players over their careers, rarely show improvement. Vaughn, Gates, Cash, Dixon, Killa

So what are you telling me here? Was he a bad coach when he won 26 games? Was he a bad coach when he took Murray State to 2 NCAA's in 3 years? It comes down ultimately to players R2G. Last year he had a bench and bench scoring/rebounding/defense. When you're playing guys 30+ minutes a game you walk the ball up the floor (though I'd bench Cash). Player development falls on the player. ANY coach will tell you a player only gets better when HE puts the time in. If you're slumping you stay and shoot. A coach can only be present a set amount of time. This is where player leadership comes into play. Xavier has had a great string of senior leaders. Last season UC had senior leaders. This is the piece I think most of you don't get. There is no player leadership on this team. No players holding other people accountable and bringing them together. Example: The Bengals will tell you to a player that the difference in their team is the player leadership and locker room atmosphere. It matters.

 

[ready2go]

So what are you telling me here? Was he a bad coach when he won 26 games? Was he a bad coach when he took Murray State to 2 NCAA's in 3 years? It comes down ultimately to players R2G. Last year he had a bench and bench scoring/rebounding/defense. When you're playing guys 30+ minutes a game you walk the ball up the floor (though I'd bench Cash). Player development falls on the player. ANY coach will tell you a player only gets better when HE puts the time in. If you're slumping you stay and shoot. A coach can only be present a set amount of time. This is where player leadership comes into play. Xavier has had a great string of senior leaders. Last season UC had senior leaders. This is the piece I think most of you don't get. There is no player leadership on this team. No players holding other people accountable and bringing them together. Example: The Bengals will tell you to a player that the difference in their team is the player leadership and locker room atmosphere. It matters.

Wasnt the purpose of the weak OOC to get the young players experience?

Last years team is back. Atleast the core. Bishop, who got suspended on occasions was no leader. Biggie, was no leader. Wilks, was an X factor and typically he was the one getting yelled at. Thomas, spoke little english

I agree that it takes leadership to win game. I'm sure most of us who have succeeded in sports, played on good teams that started with leadership.

Bottom line is, Mick is the man in charge. I don't care and the players he is recruiting don't care how much he gets paid or what the administration will let him do. You play in the BE, go get that talent. If you feel you have that talent (Based on Micks words I thought Killa was the next coming of Michael Jordan) then coach them up!

26 wins last year. Good work. I gave him props. This was the year to regain prominance in UC Basketball and he has failed

 

[bearcat jeff]

Wasnt the purpose of the weak OOC to get the young players experience?

Last years team is back. Atleast the core. Bishop, who got suspended on occasions was no leader. Biggie, was no leader. Wilks, was an X factor and typically he was the one getting yelled at. Thomas, spoke little english

I agree that it takes leadership to win game. I'm sure most of us who have succeeded in sports, played on good teams that started with leadership.

Bottom line is, Mick is the man in charge. I don't care and the players he is recruiting don't care how much he gets paid or what the administration will let him do. You play in the BE, go get that talent. If you feel you have that talent (Based on Micks words I thought Killa was the next coming of Michael Jordan) then coach them up!

26 wins last year. Good work. I gave him props. This was the year to regain prominance in UC Basketball and he has failed

You begrudgingly gave him props. You have given Mick little credit. You didn't answer my question. Was he a bad coach when he went to the tournament those 3 years? A coach has no way of predicting how quickly a freshman will develop. Their development largely depended on how well the returning players played to get them time on the floor. Last Year Davis, Wilks, Bishop played major roles on this team in terms of leadership.

 

[bearcat jeff]

Here is my major criticism of Mick Cronin R2G. He has failed in recruiting coachable players and team guys on the whole. My major problem with him has been his inability to get players to buy in. Last season they did. You saw Davis, Wilks and Bishop talk to guys on the court. They talked on D. They wanted to win and understood their roles and accepted them. That is why after Vaughns junior year I questioned if Mick was the right guy. You have to have coachable guys or make them believe. Coaching is one thing leadership is another. If that's where your coming from I can agree with you.

 

[UCBearcats]

No you're a joke. Players decide where they play, not coaches. Andrew White decided to play for Kansas not Mick Cronin. Again you fail to understand the power of brand names in major college sports. UC is not Indiana. It is not UConn or Syracuse. It is not UK or UNC. The ONLY people that see UC on the level you do is a handful of locals. Cincinnati is an after thought all across this country. Only the fickle Huggs fans see it otherwise. Coaches like Huggs, Coach K, Calipari, and Wiiliams are brand names unto themselves. Brand attracts players. THAT's why the same programs are always good my friend. Others rise and fall. You see the same thing in college football. Name brand.

Let's fire a guy that won 26 games last season and went to the NCAA. Let's fire a guy that has worked his ass off to rebuild a decimated program. Yeah starting over from scratch will fix everything. Smart move. Absolutely!

We were an elite program under Bob Huggins. We can be an elite program again. Memphis was elite under Calapari, and they don't show any signs of dropping off under their new head coach. I agree that coaches are brands unto themselves. So let's go out and get a guy who can be a brand unto himself and bring us back to elite status. MICK IS NOT THAT GUY. I will never be satisfied until we find that guy, teams fire coaches all the time. Mick isn't getting the job done here, he needs to be fired. It's nothing against Mick Cronin personally, he's just not a very good coach. Why not go get someone who is a great coach?

 

[ready2go]

You begrudgingly gave him props. You have given Mick little credit. You didn't answer my question. Was he a bad coach when he went to the tournament those 3 years? A coach has no way of predicting how quickly a freshman will develop. Their development largely depended on how well the returning players played to get them time on the floor. Last Year Davis, Wilks, Bishop played major roles on this team in terms of leadership.

He had 2 good seasons at Murray State. His 2nd season he went 17-11. That is hardly anything to get excited about. Most of those guys werent his players. I do agree that the coach still has to coach them though.

Think he was 28-8 1st year, 17-11 then 27-6 or something at Murray St. Congrats, he wasnt ready to be a BE coach, IMO

 

[bearcat jeff]

We were an elite program under Bob Huggins. We can be an elite program again. Memphis was elite under Calapari, and they don't show any signs of dropping off under their new head coach. I agree that coaches are brands unto themselves. So let's go out and get a guy who can be a brand unto himself and bring us back to elite status. MICK IS NOT THAT GUY. I will never be satisfied until we find that guy, teams fire coaches all the time. Mick isn't getting the job done here, he needs to be fired. It's nothing against Mick Cronin personally, he's just not a very good coach. Why not go get someone who is a great coach?

How many of those great coaches applied for this elite job when it was open? Your misperception of elite is what has destroyed this fan base. 1 FF and no titles in 16 years is elite huh? That's a joke. There's nothing wrong with being very good, which is what UC was under Huggs but UC hasn't been elite since the 60s.

 

[UCBearcats]

How many of those great coaches applied for this elite job when it was open? Your misperception of elite is what has destroyed this fan base. 1 FF and no titles in 16 years is elite huh? That's a joke. There's nothing wrong with being very good, which is what UC was under Huggs but UC hasn't been elite since the 60s.

That's why you go find the next up and coming great coach. Mick had a chance to prove he is that guy and he's clearly not. There are a lot of great coaches out there. Listening to you though you'd think our team is some kind of a joke. Thank God you're not the coach, your recruiting pitch is pretty weak. You are a joke of a fan.