Kay--NFL?

[waterhead]

Is Kay the best NFL QB prospect UC has had?

We have had some good QB's lately but have we ever had a QB with the size, stature, arm, accuracy, intelligence, and quick release as Kay?

In terms of NCAA performance we have had some pretty good QB's but from an NFL combine perspective Kay seems a lot more like the NFL prototype QB to me.

What do you think?

 

[UCalum08]

Is Kay the best NFL QB prospect UC has had?

We have had some good QB's lately but have we ever had a QB with the size, stature, arm, accuracy, intelligence, and quick release as Kay?

In terms of NCAA performance we have had some pretty good QB's but from an NFL combine perspective Kay seems a lot more like the NFL prototype QB to me.

What do you think?

I will say no. I don't have a ton of reasons why I say no but I just don't see it.

 

[waterhead]

B. Kay...

Here is what I offer to your NFL team...

I have a pretty good arm...not the best and not the worst compared to other NFL QB's. My release time is above average when ranked against many NFL QB's. My accuracy has been well above average in NCAA. My height is probably average to starting NFL QB's. My body can take a hit probably better than most NFL QB's. I am fairly mobile...at least average.

I can't really comment on my intelligence but I think it's pretty good. I think I am a pretty good leader and my teamates don't hate me. I will play through injury because I want to be out there...so I definitely earn lead by example points.

What is it that I can't offer your team?

 

[UCalum08]

B. Kay...

Here is what I offer to your NFL team...

I have a pretty good arm...not the best and not the worst compared to other NFL QB's. My release time is above average when ranked against many NFL QB's. My accuracy has been well above average in NCAA. My height is probably average to starting NFL QB's. My body can take a hit probably better than most NFL QB's. I am fairly mobile...at least average.

I can't really comment on my intelligence but I think it's pretty good. I think I am a pretty good leader and my teamates don't hate me. I will play through injury because I want to be out there...so I definitely earn lead by example points.

What is it that I can't offer your team?

Just to play devils advocate..what makes Kay better than the SMU QB? I could see Kay maybe being a backup QB in the NFL at best.

 

[JumpinJack5]

Kay's arm is shot. He is playing through pain, and he has great QB makeup and is a darn good QB, but he would really need extensive surgery to have a fighting shot at the NFL. Look what happened to Pike, his arm got all screwed up also.

 

[waterhead]

Just to play devils advocate..what makes Kay better than the SMU QB? I could see Kay maybe being a backup QB in the NFL at best.

I am not saying Kay would/should be a starter in the NFL...just that he would grade well in an NFL combine. Perhaps the SMU guy would too IDK.

 

[waterhead]

Kay's arm is shot. He is playing through pain, and he has great QB makeup and is a darn good QB, but he would really need extensive surgery to have a fighting shot at the NFL. Look what happened to Pike, his arm got all screwed up also.

I am not sure I agree here but let's say we are talking about a Kay (pre shot arm which seems to still be pretty good). Or let's say he gets surgery and is back to normal.

How does he grade out at the NFL combine with his normal abilities?

 

[CaptDale]

Is Kay the best NFL QB prospect UC has had?

We have had some good QB's lately but have we ever had a QB with the size, stature, arm, accuracy, intelligence, and quick release as Kay?

In terms of NCAA performance we have had some pretty good QB's but from an NFL combine perspective Kay seems a lot more like the NFL prototype QB to me.

What do you think?

Reminds me of Pike

 

[waterhead]

Kay's arm is shot. He is playing through pain, and he has great QB makeup and is a darn good QB, but he would really need extensive surgery to have a fighting shot at the NFL. Look what happened to Pike, his arm got all screwed up also.

I would add that Pike would grade very poor at the NFL combine...and probably did. An NFL team took a chance on him. That shot was based on college performance and not on his NFL prototype QB attributes.

I doubt that Russell Wilson graded out all that well because of his height...but sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle and it works. That's the type of chance that Pike was given.

I am only looking at this from an NFL combine type situation. With a healthy Kay...I think he grades out very well and would get drafted.

 

[waterhead]

Reminds me of Pike

Pike had good accuracy and a pretty quick recognition of when to make a pass. He had a very weak arm (in terms of NFL arms) and a fragile body type.

 

[waterhead]

Here are some of the things you will get graded on in an NFL combine in terms of QB's.

Arm strength
Accuracy
Height
Release point
Release time
Mobility
IQ test
Leadership
Performance


I can't say where Kay would grade low in any of these. I can say Pike would grade low in arm strength and Russel Wilson would grade low in height. Obviously lacking in one area isn't a killer. But...I am trying to find a weakness in a HEALTHY Kay.

 

[waterhead]

Let's take a look at Tim Tebow. He was given a chance based on NCAA perfomance. His throwing motion and release point were/are awful (when ranked against NFL QB's). He probably graded poorly at the combine because there is probably more weight given to those aspects of a QB in the NFL than to NCAA performance or IQ. A weak arm or a slow/low release in the NFL is a big problem. The DB's are too quick and the linemen are too tall. A healthy Pike would have had serious problems being succesful as well as Collaros.

You might take a chance on a weak arm or a bad release QB...but it usually doesn't end well...even if they have other awesome qualities. It was said by most scouting analysts that Tebow would have a hard time making it in the NFL if he didn't fix his throwing techinique. Guess what...one of the greatest NCAA QB's of all time is finding out why.

I am just trying to see if there is an area that Kay is lacking and right now I'm not sure I do. This leads me to think he might get drafted.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I will say that success in the NFL is different than success in college, but I don't know of many NFL QB's who weren't really good college QB's. I won't pretend to be an expert on the subject as to where Kay will rank among pro prospects because honestly I don't know, but I got to think if it were high he wouldn't have lost the starters job twice to Munchie and he would have had more buzz around him. Might have even gotten in over Collaros back in the day. This is his sixth year in the program. He doesn't seem to be a pocket passer, which I imagine is fairly high on the NFL's radar.

 

[waterhead]

I will say that success in the NFL is different than success in college, but I don't know of many NFL QB's who weren't really good college QB's. I won't pretend to be an expert on the subject as to where Kay will rank among pro prospects because honestly I don't know, but I got to think if it were high he wouldn't have lost the starters job twice to Munchie and he would have had more buzz around him. Might have even gotten in over Collaros back in the day. This is his sixth year in the program. He doesn't seem to be a pocket passer, which I imagine is fairly high on the NFL's radar.

I understand your points but I will respectfully disagree. Sometimes you don't know what you have until you see them play. Pike and Collaros are prime examples. Neither had great NFL attributes and both were burried on the depth charts at some point.

As for losing his job to Muchie...wouldn't have happened if he were healthy. Sometimes in college coaches go with what they think fits their system best. Munchie had superior running skills. I don't think he would have been starting the season if Kay were healthy though.

I can tell you this...Kay is a vastly greater NFL prospect than Munchie (assuming both healthy) no matter who would have been the best NCAA QB.

I also think he is a fine pocket passer. Our line hasn't been great at protection and Kay is forced to move around or we are forced to move him around.

 

[waterhead]

I love my man Munchie but let's look at the difference.

Munchie had a weaker arm, a very slow release, questionable accuracy, a very poor and low release of the football. He could run though.

If you compare that with guys like Newton, Wilson, Pryor, RGIII etc...the only place he matches up is in running and I'm not sure he is better than any of them at that.

Now what I am asking is where is Kay insuperior given that he has as much mobility as most NFL QB's.

 

[david aka the TYZ]

I understand your points but I will respectfully disagree. Sometimes you don't know what you have until you see them play. Pike and Collaros are prime examples. Neither had great NFL attributes and both were burried on the depth charts at some point.

As for losing his job to Muchie...wouldn't have happened if he were healthy. Sometimes in college coaches go with what they think fits their system best. Munchie had superior running skills. I don't think he would have been starting the season if Kay were healthy though.

I can tell you this...Kay is a vastly greater NFL prospect than Munchie (assuming both healthy) no matter who would have been the best NCAA QB.

I also think he is a fine pocket passer. Our line hasn't been great at protection and Kay is forced to move around or we are forced to move him around.

I think his injury probably did help Munchie win the job, but Tuberville runs more of a pro-style offense than most in college do and if Kay had those intangibles I think he would've won the job in the spring. I'm not trying to bash Kay by any stretch of the imagination, but to me he just doesn't scream NFL prospect. Again I am not an NFL scout nor do I really know what one would see or not see in Kay. I just think if he were good enough to play on Sundays, he wouldn't have spent his career struggling to play on Saturdays, especially when not sitting behind other QB's that were going to be playing on Sundays.

 

[waterhead]

So far here are the reasons I have received (paraphrasing).


I just don't see it...

Is the SMU QB better...

and

If he was that good why wasn't he starting earlier...


I am not sure NFL scouts would consider any of these when evaluating his NFl prospects. He may not make the NFL but I am still wondering what would be holding him back if anything?

There are some players who don't grade well in the combines and end up being great because they were given a shot based on NCAA performance. There are some players who just grade well at the NFL combines who get drafted because of their skill set. Kay SEEMS to have both.

I am asking this question because I can't think of a good reason he won't be drafted...in fact I am predicting he will unless someone can tell me convincingly why he's just not NFL caliber.

 

[waterhead]

I think his injury probably did help Munchie win the job, but Tuberville runs more of a pro-style offense than most in college do and if Kay had those intangibles I think he would've won the job in the spring. I'm not trying to bash Kay by any stretch of the imagination, but to me he just doesn't scream NFL prospect. Again I am not an NFL scout nor do I really know what one would see or not see in Kay. I just think if he were good enough to play on Sundays, he wouldn't have spent his career struggling to play on Saturdays, especially when not sitting behind other QB's that were going to be playing on Sundays.

Fair enough. But if we look back to the starting QB talk at the beginning of the season...it was most likely due to the fact that Kay was hurt...not necessarily because Munchie was better. If Munchie was better and Kay was hurt...the decision would have been really easy at that point. The delay in decision was waiting on the health of Kay IMO.

 

[waterhead]

I think his injury probably did help Munchie win the job, but Tuberville runs more of a pro-style offense than most in college do and if Kay had those intangibles I think he would've won the job in the spring. I'm not trying to bash Kay by any stretch of the imagination, but to me he just doesn't scream NFL prospect. Again I am not an NFL scout nor do I really know what one would see or not see in Kay. I just think if he were good enough to play on Sundays, he wouldn't have spent his career struggling to play on Saturdays, especially when not sitting behind other QB's that were going to be playing on Sundays.

By the way, I get your point about why he wasn't playing earlier. I can't speak to that. Maybe he just wasn't as great in practice as he was in games. Maybe it was a pecking order thing where the coaches mis-evaluated a players potential like they did with Pike and Collaros.

That part is really hard to tell. But we do know that Pike was the 3rd option at QB when he came in. Collaros was behind Pike and I don't remember how many years they played on the same team. Anderson was ahead of both of them at some point and I can't even remember who the starter was when Pike came in for Anderson.

It seems strange that Kay was so far back in the pecking order...but in reality I am not sure it matters in terms of what NFL scouts will think of him.

 

[waterhead]

I think his injury probably did help Munchie win the job, but Tuberville runs more of a pro-style offense than most in college do and if Kay had those intangibles I think he would've won the job in the spring. I'm not trying to bash Kay by any stretch of the imagination, but to me he just doesn't scream NFL prospect. Again I am not an NFL scout nor do I really know what one would see or not see in Kay. I just think if he were good enough to play on Sundays, he wouldn't have spent his career struggling to play on Saturdays, especially when not sitting behind other QB's that were going to be playing on Sundays.

By the way, I get your point about why he wasn't playing earlier. I can't speak to that. Maybe he just wasn't as great in practice as he was in games. Maybe it was a pecking order thing where the coaches mis-evaluated a players potential like they did with Pike and Collaros.

That part is really hard to tell. But we do know that Pike was the 3rd option at QB when he came in. Collaros was behind Pike and I don't remember how many years they played on the same team. Anderson was ahead of both of them at some point and I can't even remember who the starter was when Pike came in for Anderson.

It seems strange that Kay was so far back in the pecking order...but in reality I am not sure it matters in terms of what NFL scouts will think of him.