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waterhead said:
As if it weren't quite enough. Kay has .THE #1 completion % in the ENTIRE NCAA this year...just ahead of Manziell.


Eh...what a joker
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Since my conclusion is not that Kay is the greatest NFL QB of all time or that he will definitely make the NFL..I am not sure my premise is off base that he could make the NFL. You are going to have to tell me how circular reasoning has been used in this example unless you are pointing to another example other than my own.
 
I hope you've had a chance to recover from the apparent mental breakdown you had last evening.

Bottom line is the mention of Kay and the NFL together is laughable. You can throw out all the stats you want but Brandon Kay is not an NFL caliber QB. Stats don't matter if you don't have all the physical gifts the guys in the NFL want. There are a laundry list of guys who put up much better stats than Kay and never made it in the NFL.

The guy couldn't even beat out Munchie for the starting job. He wasn't capable of running the team's pro style offense so they became a spread passing team. Kay doesn't have tremendous arm strength or accuracy. He isn't particularly mobile and he makes bad decisions under pressure. Don't get me wrong, I like Kay, he is a above average college QB and we could do a lot worse than him but to suggest that he's a future NFL player is absurd. Garrett Gilbert from SMU is the kind of guy you could talk about as being a borderline NFL player. He might actually have a chance of getting drafted in the later rounds and after watching him play on Saturday it's easy to see why. There is no question who the best QB on the field was Saturday and it wasn't Kay.

Is there a chance he gets an invite to some camp?? Sure, almost anyone can do that if their agent makes enough phone calls. Kay will not get drafted, he will not make a team and he will never play in an NFL game.
 
UCBearcats said:
I hope you've had a chance to recover from the apparent mental breakdown you had last evening.

Bottom line is the mention of Kay and the NFL together is laughable. You can throw out all the stats you want but Brandon Kay is not an NFL caliber QB. Stats don't matter if you don't have all the physical gifts the guys in the NFL want. There are a laundry list of guys who put up much better stats than Kay and never made it in the NFL.

The guy couldn't even beat out Munchie for the starting job. He wasn't capable of running the team's pro style offense so they became a spread passing team. Kay doesn't have tremendous arm strength or accuracy. He isn't particularly mobile and he makes bad decisions under pressure. Don't get me wrong, I like Kay, he is a above average college QB and we could do a lot worse than him but to suggest that he's a future NFL player is absurd. Garrett Gilbert from SMU is the kind of guy you could talk about as being a borderline NFL player. He might actually have a chance of getting drafted in the later rounds and after watching him play on Saturday it's easy to see why. There is no question who the best QB on the field was Saturday and it wasn't Kay.

Is there a chance he gets an invite to some camp?? Sure, almost anyone can do that if their agent makes enough phone calls. Kay will not get drafted, he will not make a team and he will never play in an NFL game.
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Wow...finally a little bit of substance to back up the opinion that Kay won't play in the NFL. I have only been asking for 3 pages. Thank you. Now let's take a look at some of your points...some good some...ehh IDK.

First off the idea that Kay could play QB in the NFL someday is not absurdly laughable. Abernathy maybe. The only extensive 2014 draft rankling list I have found with 50 or so QB's has him listed at about 21 right now and Gibbert is about 5 behind him on that list. I can't say for sure but I think it's at least partially stats generated so who knows.

Secondly, Kay didn't lose his job to Munchie...he lost it to injury. There is no way Munchie starts the season with a healthy Kay.

As for arm strength...I wouldn't say it's a cannon but it's sufficient and it's better than Pike and I think Collaros. As for his accuracy? He LEADS the country this year...#1. I am not sure you thought some of these comments through.

I can't speak to what kind of offense he can or can't run so I won't. I can't say that I've seen him make an inordinate amount of pressure mistakes but can't really offer a rebuttal there either.

Other than His QB efficiency rating which includes INT's as well as accuracy, TD's and yards. It's hard to argue against his stats. We could argue a poor schedule but he's had the same stats for two years now. If he was very poor at one or more that rating would be a lot lower.

I would agree he is not particularly mobile but not enough to hurt his chances.

Anyhow, he may never get a chance at the NFL...but I think the thought is a long way from laughable.
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/22491385/nfl-draft-cincinnati-preview

http://www.downthedrive.com/2013/7/...ng-academy-cincinnati-bearcats-johnny-manziel

http://nfldraftblitz.com/rankings-so.html

http://cincyontheprowl.com/2013/05/10/a-way-too-early-look-at-the-bearcats-2014-nfl-draft-class/

Here are several articles which give a breakdown on Kay's chances at the next level. One of the articles is actually about his visit to the Manning QB camp but the other three are 2014 draft prospect related.

If the idea of Kay playing NFL is absurd and laughable...it appears he's got a lot of people fooled other than many of the fans in this forum who are finding it hard to control their LOL's at the very notion.
 
http://cincyontheprowl.com/2013/05/10/a-way-too-early-look-at-the-bearcats-2014-nfl-draft-class/



Here are just a couple more. The only consistent knock on Kay has been his mechanics. Has a tendency to drop his release point and could use better footwork at times.

However, much of what I have been saying has been confirmed by several NFL draft scouting sites. Kay has an NFL QB body height and build. Kay has plenty of arm strength and accuracy to play in the NFL. He's plenty mobile...with a 40 time around 4.8...it seems to be looked as more of an advantage than a hinderance in a few of these reports.

Laughable and absurd? OK

Deleted one of the links because it was a repeat. I must not have copied the last link and re-pasted another one.
 
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Kay's completion percentage is pretty impressive, a lot of that is also a product of our offense. We run a lot of short passing routes, dump offs, bubble screens, ect.

When Kay has to throw the ball down the field, which he rarely does, that is when his accuracy and decision making suffers. Hence the 7 INT's he already thrown this season.

This is my last post on this topic because frankly I don't really care either way. It's not like I hate Kay, I'd be happy for him if he made the NFL. I'm certainly not rooting against him. I think it's laughable to suggest he will be an NFL QB, you seem to be very passionate about the fact that he will play in the NFL. Truth is, I don't really care, so let's agree to disagree.
 
UCBearcats said:
Kay's completion percentage is pretty impressive, a lot of that is also a product of our offense. We run a lot of short passing routes, dump offs, bubble screens, ect.

When Kay has to throw the ball down the field, which he rarely does, that is when his accuracy and decision making suffers. Hence the 7 INT's he already thrown this season.

This is my last post on this topic because frankly I don't really care either way. It's not like I hate Kay, I'd be happy for him if he made the NFL. I'm certainly not rooting against him. I think it's laughable to suggest he will be an NFL QB, you seem to be very passionate about the fact that he will play in the NFL. Truth is, I don't really care, so let's agree to disagree.
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I don't know man...it's not like I am an NFL scout so it's not easy for me to gauge his skills against NFL guys but that is why I was asking the question and then went searching for NFL scout sites to see what was being said about him.

I know I have said in this thread he might get drafted but he may very well not. I don't have any particular affinity to Kay other than he is our current QB. I DO care if he gets drafted because it would be a bonus for the program and future recruiting (however small that might be).

The only thing I really disagree with are those who feel the notion of Kay possibly playing in the NFL is a laughable notion. It seems to me it's a borderline notion at worst based on what I have seen, heard, or read. I wasn't getting a lot of objective reasons in the beginning (just a lot of "are you serious" types of comments) but you took the time to offer some and I do appreciate that.

I will agree to disagree with you on how laughable the notion is...but other than that you have made some points that I am not qualified to address or statistically quantify so I will defer to agree or disagree based mostly on the idea that I know I am not qualified to make definitive remarks about. My opinion on some of those subjects you brought up is just that...my opinion.

Thanks for playing along.
 
UCBearcats said:
Kay's completion percentage is pretty impressive, a lot of that is also a product of our offense. We run a lot of short passing routes, dump offs, bubble screens, ect.

When Kay has to throw the ball down the field, which he rarely does, that is when his accuracy and decision making suffers. Hence the 7 INT's he already thrown this season.

This is my last post on this topic because frankly I don't really care either way. It's not like I hate Kay, I'd be happy for him if he made the NFL. I'm certainly not rooting against him. I think it's laughable to suggest he will be an NFL QB, you seem to be very passionate about the fact that he will play in the NFL. Truth is, I don't really care, so let's agree to disagree.
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So now MY opinion of your thoughts:) Yes, I agree, Kay's completion % can be inflated by our short pass calls. The reason I would hesitate is that we have done a lot of that recently with other coaches. Jones didn't take a lot of shots downfield and we use to have a field day with the quick in when Gilyard was here. There was nothing particularly hard about getting the ball to the receiver. Short passes has been our MO for a while and Kay's completion % is higher than Pike or Collaros.

As for the deep ball...I can't speak to how often we do that compared to recent years but the scouts and analysts seem to think he throws a nice deep ball. As for his INT rate...you may be right...I would have to go back and see if his INT's are coming more in those situations. So this is an area I can't necessarily disagree.

Lastly I am not so passionate about the thought that I think Kay will be drafted or play in the NFL. I just think he possesses more of the NFL prototype QB skill set than several of our QB's who either made the NFL or got a serious look. Pike was kind of skinny with a weak arm and was drafted with a lower QB efficiency rating. If Collaros were 6'4" his chances would have been much better as well.

Again, I appreciate your comments, I just didn't want you to ge the wrong impression that I am lobbying for Kay...rather than wondering about his chances.
 
After further review I seem to have been mistaken in my terminolgy as to NFL combines vs. scouting grades. My comments would best be put in the scouting grade category than combine results.

Combines seem to be more about athletic ability in the legs. Running, jumping, and getting around cones etc. rather than throwing or IQ grades. My apologies. I knew what I was going for but was using the wrong rating system.
 
Kay is currently fighting for a roster spot for the Steelers and had many other NFL teams interested in his services as a free agent. Far from the joke a lot of folks on this thread thought about his NFL prospects. I think he will make a team at some point...maybe not the Steelers
 
waterhead said:
Kay is currently fighting for a roster spot for the Steelers and had many other NFL teams interested in his services as a free agent. Far from the joke a lot of folks on this thread thought about his NFL prospects. I think he will make a team at some point...maybe not the Steelers
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I saw that he was with the Steelers. Serious question. I know NFL teams carry three QB's through the season, how many QB's do the Steelers have at their training camp and is he a legitimate threat to compete to be the third stringer?
 

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