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TheLongHaul said:
I wasn't able to watch the game. So he played 10 minutes and had 3 turnovers?

Look like Cobb found his stroke, obviously against lesser competition but UC is going to need him.
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KJ. Oof. He should probably be 9th on the team in minutes from here on out.
 
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UCBearcats said:
"I told Farad to just worry about defense". -- well no $hit Mick, if you ever told anyone on your team to worry about offense you might be on to something.

PS - in 10 years has anyone ever seen a player on our team set an off ball screen? Please provide examples and proof.
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STFU, forever....
 
Good tune up for VCU. Cats need to get some quality wins.

Consistency would go along way towards that end. I'm aware like everyone else that KJ is struggling but we need his jumper and on the ball defense. I hope he can get it turned around. We also got the good Gary last night offensively Having him show up on a more regular basis would be a big help.
 
Watching VCU last night after the game, we should def be able to beat them. I think Bearcats showed a lot of positives last night. Still some things they need to clean up. Just like Mick said after the game, they need to play a full 40 minutes. There's a legit chance still of this being a special season for any of you doubters out there. I understand Mick keeps going back to the toughness like the Kilpatrick season, but we will find it and overall we have more talent than that team. I'd like to compare stats from that team to this team at this point in the season and see the competition level.
 
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We just need X to lose on Saturday, and we'll have more proof that the post Bearcat slide is real.
 
The general consensus after last night's game is that it was a good bounce back from XU, I was at the game and my thoughts were that it was pretty ugly to watch. Outside of Farad's nice shooting performance the offense was largely stagnant and our guards once again failed to penetrate or attack the rim.

I always find this board to be extremely interesting with the response many of you seem to have. We beat Morgan State 87-66 before the XU game and everyone was talking about how bad of a performance it was yet we beat Norfolk State 75-59 and it's a good performance. I'm not really sure how that works.

This season seems to be following the same pattern we always follow under Mick. Talk all off-season about the importance of offense, come out and whip up on crap teams, play a few close games against marginal teams, lose to X, throw the game plan out the window and begin the slow and ugly grind to an early exit in the NCAA's. Hope I'm wrong.......
 
Some stats that stand out from the game.

Clark 19 pts...looked aggressive and I hope it stays that way
Cobb 20 pts on 5 of 8 three pointers. Need him to stay in that groove
Caupain 6 assists on one turnover
Evans 6 of 6 on FT's...puts him at 92% on the season
Ellis...11 boards, 5 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals. That's a nice stat line
 
HoosierCat said:
Falling in love with the 3 again
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waterhead said:
Some stats that stand out from the game.

Clark 19 pts...looked aggressive and I hope it stays that way
Cobb 20 pts on 5 of 8 three pointers. Need him to stay in that groove
Caupain 6 assists on one turnover
Evans 6 of 6 on FT's...puts him at 92% on the season
Ellis...11 boards, 5 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals. That's a nice stat line
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Caupain is now tied for 22nd in the country in assist to turnover ratio.


Having Jenifer around has made caupain a better pass first PG. I mean, sometimes last year, we'd have 6 assists the entire game and now Troy is getting that by himself. He Could very well end up averaging 6 assists per game on the season.
 
UCBearcats said:
The general consensus after last night's game is that it was a good bounce back from XU, I was at the game and my thoughts were that it was pretty ugly to watch. Outside of Farad's nice shooting performance the offense was largely stagnant and our guards once again failed to penetrate or attack the rim.

I always find this board to be extremely interesting with the response many of you seem to have. We beat Morgan State 87-66 before the XU game and everyone was talking about how bad of a performance it was yet we beat Norfolk State 75-59 and it's a good performance. I'm not really sure how that works.

This season seems to be following the same pattern we always follow under Mick. Talk all off-season about the importance of offense, come out and whip up on crap teams, play a few close games against marginal teams, lose to X, throw the game plan out the window and begin the slow and ugly grind to an early exit in the NCAA's. Hope I'm wrong.......
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I was there as well. Admittedly though, me and you might have been there but it felt and sounded like an empty gym.

UC controlled the game when they had to. Problem was one group of guys would keep up the intensity and then the "2nd" team came and it went back to being flat again. It was nice to see Caupain and jenifer play for a few minutes together though.

I think its hard for UC to stay intense even at home when the crowds are just baron. I hate Xavier but there lowest game of the season was something like 9500 people. They have a crowd for every game and X tries to please the fans.

UC would love to please there fans if they would frickin show up. I mean they have to entice people to buy Iowa State tickets with promos and stuff. Cincinnati Fans are a bit disheartening
 
I can't get real excited about what happened last night. The number one thing I saw on the plus side was Farad's shot coming back. That is huge for this team. We really need this guy's offensive firepower in the worst way. If he is back, that will be a big plus. I'm not going to factor in the cupcake impact on his shooting, because he has been missing open shots against good competition. Open shots are open shots so it doesn't matter if the competition is good or bad. His shot looked good last night.

Gary, on the other hand, ate the cupcake...icing and all. It was a good performance, but let's see him do it against good competition before we believe that he is progressing. Personally, I think his inside game has regressed to this point in the season. There were times last year when I felt he was Danny Fortsonesque in terms of his inside game. He was virtually unstoppable when he got the ball on the block. I don't see the same player inside this year. On the other hand, he has massively improved his outside shot. I guess it's possible that he worked so hard on his outside game that his inside game suffered some.

KJ is the difference in this team being a final four team, or a 1st or 2nd round loss team, in my opinion. Everyone despises him right now, but we have to get him back to the player we saw early. His offense, when it's working, is absolutely critical to this team. Obviously, his defense is really good, but it has even looked so-so lately. Mick has said it many times. You do something bad offensively and you let it affect you on the defensive end. KJ is definitely in his own head right now and it isn't pretty. I still think he is a critical piece to our puzzle.

Quadri looked awful and very selfish last night. I agree with Waite, JJ's first shot was in rhythm and it hit nothing but net. His second shot was rushed a little because the defender was closing fast, and it was not nearly as good. As Cinrulz11 pointed out, JJ is now doing the pass it around the 3-pt. line routine, just like the others, so he is somewhat a shell now of the player I felt he was early in the season. You guys were right. I was wrong. I complimented Quadri yesterday. I take that one back as well after last night.

The bottom line.....we beat Norfolk State by one point in the last 36 minutes of the game. The first four minutes showed us what this team's potential really is. The last 36 minutes showed us what we've been watching for 2-3 weeks now. NKU beat this team by 21 points. Ohio U. beat them by 22 pts. Depaul beat them by 14. S. Carolina beat them by 15, and Indiana St. beat them by 9. Our 16 point margin looks pretty weak, especially when you consider that we got a 15-0 head start in the first 4 minutes.

How do we get better?

  • We need KJ back badly.
  • Troy's shot must return.
  • The Gary we saw last night must play must play the same against good competition.
  • Ellis must get tougher and more consistent.
  • The defensive magic must return.
 
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L-T said:
Gary, on the other hand, ate the cupcake...icing and all. It was a good performance, but let's see him do it against good competition before we believe that he is progressing. Personally, I think his inside game has regressed to this point in the season. There were times last year when I felt he was Danny Fortsonesque in terms of his inside game. He was virtually unstoppable when he got the ball on the block. I don't see the same player inside this year. On the other hand, he has massively improved his outside shot. I guess it's possible that he worked so hard on his outside game that his inside game suffered some.


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He is learning to adjust. Last year, Ellis got all the attention and Clark could beat anyone on the block 1 on 1, but he hasn't seen one on one a whole lot this season. Against X, he had 2 guys on him the entire game when he touched the ball. I like that Gary doesn't try to force a shot when he clearly would be forced to take bad one. He is really unselfish. He will figure out ways to score, its still early and I have faith that Gary will figure it out. Last night he was assertive, If he is left one on one, and is assertive, you can score like that on anyone


Also I will agree that Quadri has been very selfish. Actually on KenPom, they call him a "major contributor" because when he is in the game he shoots in 25% of his possessions. Thats a bit nuts. and higher than any one else.
 
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justinhub2003 said:
I was there as well. Admittedly though, me and you might have been there but it felt and sounded like an empty gym.

UC controlled the game when they had to. Problem was one group of guys would keep up the intensity and then the "2nd" team came and it went back to being flat again. It was nice to see Caupain and jenifer play for a few minutes together though.

I think its hard for UC to stay intense even at home when the crowds are just baron. I hate Xavier but there lowest game of the season was something like 9500 people. They have a crowd for every game and X tries to please the fans.

UC would love to please there fans if they would frickin show up. I mean they have to entice people to buy Iowa State tickets with promos and stuff. Cincinnati Fans are a bit disheartening
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I agree, I wish we had more fan support. If watching our team wasn't like watching paint dry I'm sure more people would make the effort to show up for the games. I think the fan support is a product of our team not reaching very high levels of success, playing a frustrating and boring style of basketball, and having a crappy arena with a poor fan experience. A new arena in 2018 should help the issue in the short term but the team better be ready to up their game as well or I think you'll see any gains the new arena give us fall off quickly.

As for the substitutions I'm not really sure what Mick is doing there. We went up 15-0 before I took 3 sips of my beer and then we brought in the 2nd team and lost all the energy.

I was particularly disappointed with Shaq Thomas last night. I'm not sure why we continue to allow Shaq to shoot 3 pointers. If I were Mick I'd immediately yank him and make him sit for 5 minutes every time he shoots a 3 until he stops doing it. I don't care that he made his first 3, as soon as it went in he should have turned around and seen Evans running to the scorer's table.
 
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justinhub2003 said:
He is learning to adjust. Last year, Ellis got all the attention and Clark could beat anyone on the block 1 on 1, but he hasn't seen one on one a whole lot this season. Against X, he had 2 guys on him the entire game when he touched the ball. I like that Gary doesn't try to force a shot when he clearly would be forced to take bad one. He is really unselfish. He will figure out ways to score, its still early and I have faith that Gary will figure it out. Last night he was assertive, If he is left one on one, and is assertive, you can score like that on anyone


Also I will agree that Quadri has been very selfish. Actually on KenPom, they call him a "major contributor" because when he is in the game he shoots in 25% of his possessions. Thats a bit nuts. and higher than any one else.
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He is unselfish to a fault.
 
waterhead said:
Some stats that stand out from the game.

Clark 19 pts...looked aggressive and I hope it stays that way
Cobb 20 pts on 5 of 8 three pointers. Need him to stay in that groove
Caupain 6 assists on one turnover
Evans 6 of 6 on FT's...puts him at 92% on the season
Ellis...11 boards, 5 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals. That's a nice stat line
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All good stats, however, the one stat that I do not like, especially after the Xavier game is that Caupain only took two shots inside the 3 point line and those came late in the second half (based on the Yahoo's stat tracker). Since i didn't see the game I'm not sure if those two shots were layups or jump shots but he needs to attack the basket more.
 

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