Xavier fan here.

[DontMissHim]

I'm not the one complaining about other coaches and then complaining about the EXACT same thing as it pertains to my team.

That is the definition of hypocritical. That is the Xavier fan base. Huge hypocrites.

That is my problem. Not the complaining myself. If my team lost a player I thought was good, it would bother me.

Im just surprised you never heard of "coach-speak".

 

[Kingsley Court]

I'm not the one complaining about other coaches and then complaining about the EXACT same thing as it pertains to my team.

So you are okay about your coach complaining about everything you complain about? You don't think a coach should act differently than a fan? Or, you wouldn't care if he acts the same as a fan? WOW.

 

[DontMissHim]

This post, and especially the bold part, may be the best damn thing I read all week.

They're already laying the gound work for an out if they lose. MND's finest created a roster with little depth, not too mention very little quality, and now they want to act like they just lost a couple of real studs.

PS Completely OT: Lurch Freese's stat line against Gonzaga may be the most impressive thing I have ever seen. I've been meaning to post it for awhile and ask someone to explain it to me.

18 minutes. 0 pts. 0 rb's. 0 assts. 0 blks. 0 stls. 4 fouls. 2 TO's.

How is that even possible? Lets leave the debates aside, this is serious business. What are the odds of that? 1,000,000,000:1?

How do you think Frease does against UC? Id put a little wager he gets 10 points at least. (Said 10 because someone...great1...said no way he gets to 10) I think frease could have some trouble with Gates- though I will say he is playing with more confidence then ever before and that can be a factor in how he does this Thursday.

 

[Not Guilty]

10 of 14. UC really does "own this town."

Funny stuff about that stat. X has only outscored UC by 4 whole points in that stretch. Anything that knows anything about that stat knows that X has been extremely lucky to win 10 out of 14 and yet only outscore their opponent by 4. That shit happens. Xavier is 8-0 in games decided by less than 5 points. It sucks for UC. But if Xavier was so much better than UC, they would have won those games more convincingly. That is what superior teams do.

 

[Not Guilty]

So you are okay about your coach complaining about everything you complain about? You don't think a coach should act differently than a fan? Or, you wouldn't care if he acts the same as a fan? WOW.

Stop putting words in my mouth. There are a lot of crazy stupid fans out there. I wouldn't want my coach acting like them. But as an adult, I am not going to criticize a coach and then ACT in the EXACT same manner. That is hypocritical. That is what you did. Xavier fans do this a lot.

 

[DontMissHim]

Funny stuff about that stat. X has only outscored UC by 4 whole points in that stretch. Anything that knows anything about that stat knows that X has been extremely lucky to win 10 out of 14 and yet only outscore their opponent by 4. That shit happens. Xavier is 8-0 in games decided by less than 5 points. It sucks for UC. But if Xavier was so much better than UC, they would have won those games more convincingly. That is what superior teams do.

Well- I think it says something about how Xavier has done outside of the shoot out that shows how much better they have been then UC this past decade. Im pretty sure there is absolutely no argument there.

 

[Not Guilty]

Im just surprised you never heard of "coach-speak".

So you don't like Mick because he doesn't follow the script. I don't have a problem with coach speak. But have a coach that actually speaks his mind isn't at all a problem.

 

[Kingsley Court]

Stop putting words in my mouth. There are a lot of crazy stupid fans out there. I wouldn't want my coach acting like them. But as an adult, I am not going to criticize a coach and then ACT in the EXACT same manner. That is hypocritical. That is what you did. Xavier fans do this a lot.

So you are okay with a coach acting in the same exact way as you do? I obviously don't know you, but am surprised you don't ever let emotions get to your head.

 

[MDW79]

10 of 14. UC really does "own this town."

I know. I reminded almost everyday when I look at the Enquirer, also when I listen to sports talk, read the blogs, look at the number of comments on articles, remember our history, look up in our rafters, see the Big O before heading to my seats, hear our name pronounced correctly.... And oh yeah...LOOK AT THE NAME ON OUR JERSEY.

Ok, I'm done doing the back and forth. I wish you nothing but (bad) luck on Thurs.

 

[Not Guilty]

Well- I think it says something about how Xavier has done outside of the shoot out that shows how much better they have been then UC this past decade. Im pretty sure there is absolutely no argument there.

They have been better the last 4, while UC has been pretty damn bad. So because of that, Xavier probably wins the decade. But before the last 4. UC was routinely the better team.

 

[Not Guilty]

So you are okay with a coach acting in the same exact way as you do? I obviously don't know you, but am surprised you don't ever let emotions get to your head.

I'm saying complaining about a coach and then doing the same thing is hypocritical. You did that in this thread. Xavier fans do this a lot. Its a theme. Stop extrapolating. I don't need Mick taking lessons from me on how to behave.

 

[Kingsley Court]

I know. I reminded almost everyday when I look at the Enquirer, also when I listen to sports talk, read the blogs, look at the number of comments on articles, remember our history, look up in our rafters, see the Big O before heading to my seats, hear our name pronounced correctly.... And oh yeah...LOOK AT THE NAME ON OUR JERSEY.

Ok, I'm done doing the back and forth. I wish you nothing but (bad) luck on Thurs.

Ha, have all the sports talk and fans you want, but when I say own this town, I mean on the court. Sure, UC owns this town comes talk radio, LOL.

 

[Kingsley Court]

I'm saying complaining about a coach and then doing the same thing is hypocritical. You did that in this thread. Xavier fans do this a lot. Its a theme. Stop extrapolating. I don't need Mick taking lessons from me on how to behave.

Of course I did that this thread, but I think a coach should act differently than I do, and if he doesn't then I would be upset. Obviously we see this differently, so I'll just drop it then.

 

[adrock]

X fans, what are you trying to accomplish in this debate? I've mostly only heard you implying that X is better than UC because their schedule is more difficult. I hope you understand that there is no logic in this argument. Schedule strength is not an indicator of a team's skill level. At all.

The only thing one can say about UC and their weak schedule is that it's too early to tell if they are as good as X. Unfortunately for you, there are common opponents to examine. As has already been pointed out, UC is 3-0 against these opponents with an average margin of victory of 12.7 points; Xavier is 2-1 against the same opponents with an average margin of victory, if you don't include the loss in the calculation, of 7.5 points. If you do include the loss, the margin slims to 1.3 points.

There is no argument to be made that X is better than UC currently. There is no argument to be made that X is better than UC over the entirety of their programs. Arbitrarily choosing some intermediary time range (last 10 years, last 15 years) is witless unless you're making the case that X's future looks brighter in the near future, which I would vehemently disagree with but realize the case can be made. If that's not your intention, it's just cherry-picking stats to make your argument appear to hold water. Everyone knows the last few years have been some of the worst on record for UC, and that they have been some of the best for X. With that in mind, how is re-stating the obvious at all germane to this discussion?

I said above that there is no argument to be made that X is better than UC currently. Don't take this to mean that I think Thursday's game might as well not be played. There are 2 tenable positions to argue: Either UC is currently better than X, or it's impossible to know who's better until Thursday night. I hope you would agree to the fact that there is no evidence supporting X's superiority over UC this season. If you do, what the hell are you talking smack for? Inferiority complex much?

 

[DontMissHim]

They have been better the last 4, while UC has been pretty damn bad. So because of that, Xavier probably wins the decade. But before the last 4. UC was routinely the better team.

Probably accurate in terms of expectations and such- In terms of tournament success though Im not sure about that- I think they were about even in the first half of the decade (granted thats due to X's big run to the elite 8)

 

[Kingsley Court]

X fans, what are you trying to accomplish in this debate? I've mostly only heard you implying that X is better than UC because their schedule is more difficult. I hope you understand that there is no logic in this argument. Schedule strength is not an indicator of a team's skill level. At all.

The only thing one can say about UC and their weak schedule is that it's too early to tell if they are as good as X. Unfortunately for you, there are common opponents to examine. As has already been pointed out, UC is 3-0 against these opponents with an average margin of victory of 12.7 points; Xavier is 2-1 against the same opponents with an average margin of victory, if you don't include the loss in the calculation, of 7.5 points. If you do include the loss, the margin slims to 1.3 points.

There is no argument to be made that X is better than UC currently. There is no argument to be made that X is better than UC over the entirety of their programs. Arbitrarily choosing some intermediary time range (last 10 years, last 15 years) is witless unless you're making the case that X's future looks brighter in the near future, which I would vehemently disagree with but realize the case can be made. If that's not your intention, it's just cherry-picking stats to make your argument appear to hold water. Everyone knows the last few years have been some of the worst on record for UC, and that they have been some of the best for X. With that in mind, how is re-stating the obvious at all germane to this discussion?

I said above that there is no argument to be made that X is better than UC currently. Don't take this to mean that I think Thursday's game might as well not be played. There are 2 tenable positions to argue: Either UC is currently better than X, or it's impossible to know who's better until Thursday night. I hope you would agree to the fact that there is no evidence supporting X's superiority over UC this season. If you do, what the hell are you talking smack for? Inferiority complex much?

I agree with everything you said here. I bring up the schedule because it's tough to tell how good UC really is. I bring up the recent past because I think that is more important for a program than 20 + years ago.

 

[Not Guilty]

There is no argument to be made that X is better than UC currently. There is no argument to be made that X is better than UC over the entirety of their programs. Arbitrarily choosing some intermediary time range (last 10 years, last 15 years) is witless unless you're making the case that X's future looks brighter in the near future, which I would vehemently disagree with but realize the case can be made. If that's not your intention, it's just cherry-picking stats to make your argument appear to hold water. Everyone knows the last few years have been some of the worst on record for UC, and that they have been some of the best for X. With that in mind, how is re-stating the obvious at all germane to this discussion?

Very well said.

 

[Not Guilty]

Probably accurate in terms of expectations and such- In terms of tournament success though Im not sure about that- I think they were about even in the first half of the decade (granted thats due to X's big run to the elite 8)

Like I said earlier, I think the tournament is important, but its not the only thing.

Regular season success showed UC to be better than Xavier in pretty much every season but one or two (max) before Huggins was fired. UC was better in Kennedy's year as well. That should carry quite a bit of weight in my opinion.

The last 4 have strongly been in X's favor. I would argue going forward the future looks bright for UC though.

 

[DontMissHim]

^^future looks real bright. Hopefully for Xavier, this season is just a rebuild as next year appears to be a lot brighter (Frease and Holloway leading the way). Next year I think we could see both teams ranked for the cross town. That would be something

 

[MDW79]

X fans, what are you trying to accomplish in this debate? I've mostly only heard you implying that X is better than UC because their schedule is more difficult. I hope you understand that there is no logic in this argument. Schedule strength is not an indicator of a team's skill level. At all.

The only thing one can say about UC and their weak schedule is that it's too early to tell if they are as good as X. Unfortunately for you, there are common opponents to examine. As has already been pointed out, UC is 3-0 against these opponents with an average margin of victory of 12.7 points; Xavier is 2-1 against the same opponents with an average margin of victory, if you don't include the loss in the calculation, of 7.5 points. If you do include the loss, the margin slims to 1.3 points.

There is no argument to be made that X is better than UC currently. There is no argument to be made that X is better than UC over the entirety of their programs. Arbitrarily choosing some intermediary time range (last 10 years, last 15 years) is witless unless you're making the case that X's future looks brighter in the near future, which I would vehemently disagree with but realize the case can be made. If that's not your intention, it's just cherry-picking stats to make your argument appear to hold water. Everyone knows the last few years have been some of the worst on record for UC, and that they have been some of the best for X. With that in mind, how is re-stating the obvious at all germane to this discussion?

I said above that there is no argument to be made that X is better than UC currently. Don't take this to mean that I think Thursday's game might as well not be played. There are 2 tenable positions to argue: Either UC is currently better than X, or it's impossible to know who's better until Thursday night. I hope you would agree to the fact that there is no evidence supporting X's superiority over UC this season. If you do, what the hell are you talking smack for? Inferiority complex much?

*slow clap* How do I rep this?