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You do realize the Big East has only sent 2 other teams to the final four right? And no one to the championship game. The Big East has had by far the most amount of teams by any conference in the tournament, no doubt about it. They have had 37 teams, 4 of which made the final four, none made the championship game. SEC has also made 4 final four appearances since the "new big east." They have also had 2 championships, not appearances, champions.

Are you saying the Big East isn't that good? Of all the things you can talk about you want to get on us about our conference? The Big East may not have had the best team but they have certainly had the best collective talent.
 
Are you saying the Big East isn't that good? Of all the things you can talk about you want to get on us about our conference? The Big East may not have had the best team but they have certainly had the best collective talent.

No, Big East is good, but I wouldn't go bragging about how GREAT they are, how many final four teams they got in 1 year, when they haven't done any better then the SEC in that regards. I'm a little surprised that for how they are by far the best conference ever they haven't had one team in the championship game. They have the most good teams, but never had the best teams.

And, you say you don't think TU will be the best player on the court Thursday, who is better than him?
 
So who do you think is better?

I would take Yancy and Dion over him.

I think Dion is a more well rounded player. You can tell me that Tu has better statistics but he averages nearly 15 minutes more per game. UC doesn't need to rely on one guy.

Mark Lyons is averaging 13 ppg and he would see the court for UC. However, he plays like 38 mpg for X so his numbers look good.

I like Cashmere. He is a true PG. He needs to get stronger to finish around the rim but he doesn't turn the ball over and shoots a very high percentage and is selective in his shot attempts.
 
I find it a little bit funny that Xavier fans constantly bring up SOS yet they have only beat the poor teams. They might have played some better teams than UC but they have lost those games!

Its hilarious. UC and Xavier have a few common opponents. UC has fared SIGNIFICANTLY better against said opponents.
 
Better shooting, better ball handling, solid kid.

I honestly think Dion would be scoring near the same amount as Tu if they switched places.

Again, Mark Lyons is scoring 13 ppg. He would not see time on UC.

I guess I am putting a lot of stock into the "right kind of guys".

Tu is damn good. Don't get what I am saying twisted. I just don't think he is as good as Xavier fans think. If you don't foul him he loses 8 ppg. But that is a skill that he has.
 
Its hilarious. UC and Xavier have a few common opponents. UC has fared SIGNIFICANTLY better against said opponents.

They only bring up SOS because UC fans say how great it is they are undefeated, so X fans say well look who you have played. Of course UC will have the better SOS at the end of the year, but until we see how they fair against the meat of their schedule, we don't know how good UC actually is.
 
They only bring up SOS because UC fans say how great it is they are undefeated, so X fans say well look who you have played. Of course UC will have the better SOS at the end of the year, but until we see how they fair against the meat of their schedule, we don't know how good UC actually is.

Do you take into account how severely we have beaten the top 5 teams on our schedule. We aren't just beating Dayton and Seton Hall, we are destroying them.
 
You do realize the Big East has only sent 2 other teams to the final four right? And no one to the championship game.

You're knocking us b/c we only sent 2 of those 4 Elite 8 teams to the Final Four? Are you joking right now? Well, 2 of those teams played eachother so only 1 could make it. That leaves 2 more, one of which won, one of which lost.

And where does a fan of an A10 school get off on chiding us for how many FF teams were produced and how many titles? Is this bizarro world? How many Final Fours and Titles you produce? This whole debate is about scheduling and the fact that you guys blowing anyone shit about schedules is the God damn stupidest thing ever.

I clearly stated THE BE PRODUCED TWO FF IN A SINGLE YEAR, did I not? Then I said, the A10 last produced a FF team well before X was a member, in UMass circa 1994. (Since, then UMass relinquished their wins due to cheating, I believe, but we'll count it)

You can keep twisting it around anyway you like. Our schedule, year in and year out, makes yours look like a joke. And it's funny your ignore about 99% of what's written.

UC will play 1 less top 10 ranked team in a single year of BE than Xavier has in an entire DECADE. There is no response to that, other than admitting defeat. Face it, we make your league look like the GGCL.

When you take shots at our schedule, it's like, I don't know, Corky Miller blowing Albert Pujos shit b/c the home run he hit only went 450 feet. (A10 =Corky Miller, BE=Albert Pujos)
 
No, Big East is good, but I wouldn't go bragging about how GREAT they are, how many final four teams they got in 1 year, when they haven't done any better then the SEC in that regards. I'm a little surprised that for how they are by far the best conference ever they haven't had one team in the championship game. They have the most good teams, but never had the best teams.

And, you say you don't think TU will be the best player on the court Thursday, who is better than him?

Just a really, really dumb argument comparing the SEC and the Big East. What makes the Big East so difficult is the amount of really good programs (many of which play significantly different styles). One team making a run to the title game in back to back years in a different conference doesn't hold a candle to the Big East's overall achievement. To suggest as much is retarded.
 
They only bring up SOS because UC fans say how great it is they are undefeated, so X fans say well look who you have played. Of course UC will have the better SOS at the end of the year, but until we see how they fair against the meat of their schedule, we don't know how good UC actually is.

We know that UC has been far better than X against similar opponents.
 
So wait, you guys all make fun of X for not reaching a final four. Then when I use that final four to determine success, you guys get pissed off? YOUR the ones who want to use that as a way to define success.

So, SEC has 4 final fours since the new big east, same as the big east. And the big east has zero championship game participatns.
 
They only bring up SOS because UC fans say how great it is they are undefeated, so X fans say well look who you have played. Of course UC will have the better SOS at the end of the year, but until we see how they fair against the meat of their schedule, we don't know how good UC actually is.

We know they were good enough to beat a Miami team by almost 20, the same Miami that beat X by double digits, now don't we? Funny X fans, completely side step that game though and move on to bashing our schedule. Also, we beat a SH team by 17 that X beat by 6(?)

So we do all know those two things about our schedule, right? I think we all know X won a game against Wofford in Triple OT, a game against IPFW in OT, and LOST to a division 2 early in the year too. I think we know we're ranked, you're not. I think we know our SOS will be higher than yours by years end. I think we know that we're the favorite going into Thurs.

It's all true, look it up.
 
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You're knocking us b/c we only sent 2 of those 4 Elite 8 teams to the Final Four? Are you joking right now? Well, 2 of those teams played eachother so only 1 could make it. That leaves 2 more, one of which won, one of which lost.

not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the Big East has sent a total of 4 teams to the final four, 2 of which was in the same year.


You can keep twisting it around anyway you like. Our schedule, year in and year out, makes yours look like a joke. And it's funny your ignore about 99% of what's written.
Your schedule is much better, I'm not arguing that at all, hasn't produced any results though.

UC will play 1 less top 10 ranked team in a single year of BE than Xavier has in an entire DECADE. There is no response to that, other than admitting defeat. Face it, we make your league look like the GGCL.
Argue all you want about how great the big east is, you do realize UC has done nothing to help that reputation right? As in, they have been a bottom feeder in a great conference. Bragging about how awesome the big east is, is like Fordham bragging about Xaviers success
 
We know they were good enough to beat a Miami team by almost 20, the same Miami that beat X by double digits, now don't we? Funny X fans, completely side step that game though and move on to bashing our schedule. Also, we beat a SH team by 17 that X beat by 6(?)

So we do all know those two things about our schedule, right? I think we all know X won a game against Wofford in Triple OT, a game against IPFW in OT, and LOST to a division 2 early in the year too. I think we know we're ranked, you're not. I think we know our SOS will be higher than yours by years end. I think we know that we're the favorite going into Thurs.

It's all true, look it up.

Syracuse lost to a Division 2 team last year, did that make them not good? Laughable. But keep bringing it up as if it means anything.

Weren't you guys ranked last year at the shootout? What happened then? That's right, X beat UC again (10 of 14) then went on to another sweet 16, while UC tanked, again.
 
So wait, you guys all make fun of X for not reaching a final four. Then when I use that final four to determine success, you guys get pissed off? YOUR the ones who want to use that as a way to define success.

So, SEC has 4 final fours since the new big east, same as the big east. And the big east has zero championship game participatns.

Since when did we start comparing the BE to the SEC? I thought we were comparing the BE to the A10, b/c you guys knocked our schedule?

I think people get pissed for you knocking our FF results when your conference has ZERO room to talk. If you're gonna use the SEC to elevate the A-10 I don't get it. Does that mean I can kick Mike Tyson's ass b/c Lennox Lewis did? I'm not following???
 
I'm not arguing the a ten v big east. That would be dumb as sh!t. I know the Big East is a lot better, anyone who argues otherwise is clueless.

Someone brought up how great the big east was and showed how they had 2 final four teams in one year. All I am saying is they have only had 2 other final four teams, and then compared that to another conference. They also have not sent anyone to the championship game.
 
I'm not arguing the a ten v big east. That would be dumb as sh!t. I know the Big East is a lot better, anyone who argues otherwise is clueless.

Someone brought up how great the big east was and showed how they had 2 final four teams in one year. All I am saying is they have only had 2 other final four teams, and then compared that to another conference. They also have not sent anyone to the championship game.

We have 40 Final Four appearances. Where do you keep coming up with the 4? If you mean 4 FF in 5 years, that's actually a compliment. (Shhh...The A10 has zero in the last 20 years. UMass forfeited theirs)

What do you mean we have never sent anyone to a championship? We have 10 titles, 2 of them from this #13 ranked program of all time, right here. And those are titles, we actually 3 appearances. Oh, you're using the last 5 years again? Well, how many conferences have sent a team to the title game in the last 5 years?

And for the life of me, I still can't figure out why a fan of A10 team is knocking another conference for ONLY sending 4 teams to FF in 5 years, and zero to the title game.
 
MDW is too knowledgeable of a poster to get sucked into this pi$$ing match.

Well, you Eggsavier squidworths are another story...
 
I'm talking about the new big east, the "greatest conference ever assembled." I would hope they would have better results than 2 final fours in one year, then 2 in the other 4 years combined. I would also think the best conference ever would have sent at least 1 team to the championship game in 5 years, nope. For all the bragging about how great the conference is, and how it is easily the best ever, I would think people would expect better results. 2 final fours in one year is great, however neither team got to the championship game. 2 final four in four years isn't great.
 
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