Temple

[indydoug]

WVU scored 1.07 PPP and Temple scored 1.12 PPP. Temple shot a season high 10-19 from 3 and 21-24 on FT's.

Thanks for the info. So would you rather have higher PPP and lose or a lower PPP and win?

 

[Madman81]

That charge call on Evans in the 1st half was freaking terrible. I hate that call so much.

this got overlooked by most and was the most crucial play of the game. without us playing without evans for 12+ minutes in the first half, that game is a double digit lead for the whole second half.

that call was atrocious, and college refs are generally ******* abysmal at block/charge calls.

 

[justinhub2003]

On a side note... Watching Virginia hand it to Louisville was a thing of beauty. They are the epitome of what Cronin wants to be.

Killer D and efficient O!

Yea.. but they are dead last in Tempo.

If we were as efficient on offense and Defense, people would still whine about how were dead last in Tempo.

Im not one of those people

 

[2bearcatdad]

I don't get your point here. We have a track record in AAC road games that has led to being 10-9 the last 2+ seasons. That track record includes scoring in the 50s, not the 90s.

The point is, you don't have 2+ years of data points to use with this team. You have one conference game. Washington, Scott and Cumberland weren't on that team and Jennifer is so different this year it's like getting a new player.

I'm not really arguing your overall point, but I am objecting to you using data from past years to apply to this team. This team is constructed differently and I believe has a higher ceiling than those teams did.

I do think we'll have better offensive nights than we did last night as a general rule.

 

[Bearcat_NTS]

Yea.. but they are dead last in Tempo.

If we were as efficient on offense and Defense, people would still whine about how were dead last in Tempo.

Im not one of those people

Lol! Mick brigade hits a new low. If we were a 1 seed, 2 seed, and 1 seed the last 3 years w/ a Sweet 16 and Elite 8 people wouldn't complain as much as we have.

 

[waterhead]

Lol! Mick brigade hits a new low. If we were a 1 seed, 2 seed, and 1 seed the last 3 years w/ a Sweet 16 and Elite 8 people wouldn't complain as much as we have.

This is it. This is the issue. It's time to get shit done. Squeaking into the dance is fine...But it's not going to vault the program. Getting a 7 seed may suffice the Cronin lovers but it's not going to fill the arena or land great recruits.

It's f-ing time! Get. It. Done!

 

[justinhub2003]

This is it. This is the issue. It's time to get shit done. Squeaking into the dance is fine...But it's not going to vault the program. Getting a 7 seed may suffice the Cronin lovers but it's not going to fill the arena or land great recruits.

It's f-ing time! Get. It. Done!

Being in the AAC isn't going to land big recruits. Playing games against Tulane and ecu won't sell tickets or bring in recruits. That's a problem that Virginia doesn't have.

were in a mid major conference. The separation from the power 6 is growing. Most non p6 leagues will be 1 or 2 max bid leagues. The 2018 recruiting class will be crucial because if it's full of 3 star guys then the program will have plateaued. And I'm not sure any coach could change that. Changing leagues might be the only thing to help.

So I do agree, this season is hugely important. But mostly just for having a chance, to keep getting good talent in because if not I think we could end up going back to getting all effort guys.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Finally finished the game...Random thoughts:

-Temple stinks. We were fortunate that they had some shots not go their way in the 2bd half. We could've easily lost. Against a good team, we would have.
-Cumberland must continue to play. Couple big shots and a couple great passes. Can't miss a front end FT though.
-Clark is steady. What happened to his FT shooting?
-Washington barely feels part of the team. He and Moore need to play with their teammates better.
-Johnson was back to doing a lot of standing and holding the ball.
-Caupain is just not having a good season at all.
-I like the substitutions in this game. Bench played a lot 1st half.
-Scott is a big help.
-I hate charges.
-Evans is the best player on the floor for either team pretty much always.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Finally finished the game...Random thoughts:

-Temple stinks. We were fortunate that they had some shots not go their way in the 2bd half. We could've easily lost. Against a good team, we would have.
-Cumberland must continue to play. Couple big shots and a couple great passes. Can't miss a front end FT though.
-Clark is steady. What happened to his FT shooting?
-Washington barely feels part of the team. He and Moore need to play with their teammates better.
-Johnson was back to doing a lot of standing and holding the ball.
-Caupain is just not having a good season at all.
-I like the substitutions in this game. Bench played a lot 1st half.
-Scott is a big help.
-I hate charges.
-Evans is the best player on the floor for either team pretty much always.

temple does not stink. They didn't play well against us.
Cumberland will play if he continues to perform. Him and KJ have made the 2 guard spot a good thing for the team.
The whole teams FT shooting needs work.
Washington and Moore definitely need to incorporate their talents to the rest of team
TC needs to score more
I told you Scott was a guy to watch before the season started
I hate charges as well.

 

[crimedogg27]

I just wish troy could create more for his teammates. His ability to drive and dish isn't what it should be for a senior PG.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

Also noticed Temple didn't go for the 2 for 1. So stupid. They got bailed out bc Clark missed both FT. But they could've got a quicker shot and played defense without fouling and would've still had another possession. Why is this concept so difficult at the college level?

 

[#BearcatNation]

Also noticed Temple didn't go for the 2 for 1. So stupid. They got bailed out bc Clark missed both FT. But they could've got a quicker shot and played defense without fouling and would've still had another possession. Why is this concept so difficult at the college level?

I think the toughest part is getting everyone on the same page. It's definitely a great strategy, but I think it's much easier said than done. You don't want all your guys staring at the shot clock/game clock trying to do quick math when a close game is winding down. I assume you can put together a relatively good game plan in practice, but having all 5 players on the court aware that there's 43 seconds left and they need to shoot QUICK seems difficult.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I think the toughest part is getting everyone on the same page. It's definitely a great strategy, but I think it's much easier said than done. You don't want all your guys staring at the shot clock/game clock trying to do quick math when a close game is winding down. I assume you can put together a relatively good game plan in practice, but having all 5 players on the court aware that there's 43 seconds left and they need to shoot QUICK seems difficult.

It was almost a full minute left for Temple. You don't have to stare at the clock. You need to have the coach let the PG know and call it out. You should have quick hitting options available from there. If not, you don't have to force it. Having an extra possession in a close game should be too big of a deal to these coaches to have a "Why bother?" attitude about it. It's really a simple concept.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

I just wish troy could create more for his teammates. His ability to drive and dish isn't what it should be for a senior PG.

That has never been his game. Why would you think as a senior he would do it. He is not a quick penetrating point guard.

 

[WAITE HOYT 2]

Yea.. but they are dead last in Tempo.

If we were as efficient on offense and Defense, people would still whine about how were dead last in Tempo.

Im not one of those people

Also noticed Temple didn't go for the 2 for 1. So stupid. They got bailed out bc Clark missed both FT. But they could've got a quicker shot and played defense without fouling and would've still had another possession. Why is this concept so difficult at the college level?

im sure they were coach ed that if you have a good look early take it if not get a good shot.

 

[waterhead]

It was almost a full minute left for Temple. You don't have to stare at the clock. You need to have the coach let the PG know and call it out. You should have quick hitting options available from there. If not, you don't have to force it. Having an extra possession in a close game should be too big of a deal to these coaches to have a "Why bother?" attitude about it. It's really a simple concept.

Pushing for a good look 2 for 1 is definitely a good idea. Forcing one may not be. It depends on how much will be left on the clock. Trying to get a good look with 5 seconds left isn't easy.

Overall I like the idea...But you need smart players to take advantage. Pro players are prepared.

 

[jacobkdoyle]

I get you don't want to force it but these college teams don't even try. They walk it up and dribble up top until the clock winds down. It's stupid.

 

[waterhead]

I get you don't want to force it but these college teams don't even try. They walk it up and dribble up top until the clock winds down. It's stupid.

Yah... Jenifer would be good at 2 for 1

 

[david aka the TYZ]

A pg should notice the time and if it makes sense time wise, put your head down and drive. There's a fine line in time though because you can give the other team that same chance at a 2 for 1 or you can leave yourself not enough time with the ball. It's not as cut and dry as there's between 30 and 1:00, automatic 2 for 1. But if you do have the ball with under a minute, your best bet is to try and score between 40-45 seconds. More than that they could go 2 for 1, nullifying your rushed shot, less and you might not leave yourself enough time. Generally it's a better idea at end of first half. At the end of the game if it's within a possessions score, you don't want to waste a possession rushing something because there's no guarantee what will happen when the other team gets the ball. Plus you can always foul to assure you get the ball again if time is an issue at the end of the game.

 

[crimedogg27]

That has never been his game. Why would you think as a senior he would do it. He is not a quick penetrating point guard.

I've never been fond of troy at PG for that reason I suppose.